RE: [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by W32Blaster] (fwd)

["Gerald Cody Bunch" <gbunch () gmx net>]

Please define the term real MCSE, being as the first word in the acronym
stands for 'Microsoft' 
it would stand to reason that a real MCSE is nothing more than trained
'Microsoft' marketing monkey.

I believe what you are referring to is not quite a 'real MCSE' however,
but a Networking/Systems engineer.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Denis
Dimick
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:30 PM
To: Michael Gale
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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
W32Blaster] (fwd)



We should talk about gun control next.. 



On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Michael Gale wrote:

>       Please ... if a MCSE is in charge of a network and something
happens, 
> like everyone on the network gets the MSBLASTER worm then the MCSE is
as much at fault as Microsoft is.
> Microsoft builds the piece of sh*t but the MCSE are the ones pushing 
> it down everyone's throat saying "Look at how user friend and secure 
> this is".
>
> Any real MCSE would know that windows is crap and should therefor do a

> better job of protecting the internal network.
>
> Michael.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:42:17 -0500 (CDT)
> Ron DuFresne <dufresne () winternet com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Schmehl, Paul L wrote:
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bryan K. Watson [mailto:bwatson () netTracers com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:46 AM
> > > > To: 'Byron Copeland'; 'Ron DuFresne'; 
> > > > full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> > > > Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
> > > > W32Blaster] (fwd)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That is a load of B.S. if I ever heard it.
> > > >
> > > > I can attest to the fact that this is indeed.... NOT BS...
> > > >
> > > > True, there are a bunch of MCSE's that are on top of 
> > > > things....however, there are way too many scam artists with 
> > > > MCSE's who only give a damn about getting a bigger consulting 
> > > > fee than securing their customer's networks.
> > >
> > > And of course there isn't a single *nix consultant around who 
> > > isn't worth his/her weight in gold and doing an absolutely 
> > > fabulous job......
> > >
> > > Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and infest every 
> > > profession. They're as unavoidable as air.
> >
> > Kinda feeling like all fingers point home huh?
> >
> > Why blame the poor MCSE's when one should perhaps fault the vendor 
> > again, for not only failing to provide a viable patching system that

> > does not overburden these folks, but also undertrains them in 
> > perperation for the world of hurt they are about to be employed in.
> >
> > There, that should satisfy all those  indignant MCSE's that try to 
> > do the right thing, but are swamped with the rate of and poor 
> > quality of patches they have to deal with.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ron DuFresne
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It 
> > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the

> > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> >     ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> >
> > OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> >
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