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RE: SCADA makes you a target for terrorists take 2


From: "Drew Copley" <dcopley () eeye com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:59:05 -0700



-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com 
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of 
Caggy, James
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:58 AM
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Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] SCADA makes you a target for 
terrorists take 2


This is a "Lessons learned from Slammer" advisory put out by 
the NAERC two months ago and admits that the SCADA system is 
vulnerable to worms and/or viruses.

http://www.esisac.com/publicdocs/SQL_Slammer_2003.pdf

Excellent paper.


There's still no reason not to believe that last week's 
blackout wasn't in someway related to MSBlaster or a hacker 
taking advantage of RPC.


The paper is excellent, but that does not mean Blaster took down the
power grid. 

I think that people need to remember to show some constraint, unless
they want the problems in SCADA to appear to be overblown... A "cry wolf
scenario".

There is a very good reason to not "believe" that Blaster or a hacker
took down the grid last week -- there is no proof for it. There may be
circumstantial evidence for this, but that is not the same thing as
proof.





-----Original Message-----
From: Bernie, CTA [mailto:cta () hcsin net] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:03 PM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Cc: Elinor.Abreu () reuters com
Subject: [Full-disclosure] SCADA makes you a target for 
terrorists take 2

Over a year ago the NIPC put out a warning about threats 
regarding the SCADA Systems

Again, my point is regardless of what caused the Blackout, 
attention needs to be given on improving and integrating System 
Security first, and replacing the so called worn out Grid 
(cables and related infrastructure) last. Vulnerable components 
should be identified, isolated and neutralized immediately. 
Worry about the sagging cables later. 

I can not understand why the same basic principles of systems 
security engineering should not apply to the Power Industry 
i.e., analyze potential Threats (Accessibility, Integrity, 
Confidentiality), Vulnerabilities and Attacks.

Ok I'm done... for now.


 National Infrastructure Protection Center


Terrorist Interest in Water Supply and SCADA Systems 
Information Bulletin 02-001 30 January 2002

NIPC Information Bulletins communicate issues that pertain to 
the critical national infrastructure and are for information 
purposes only.

A computer that belonged to an individual with indirect links to 
USAMA BIN LADIN contained structural architecture computer 
programs that suggested the individual was interested in 
structural engineering as it related to dams and other water- 
retaining structures. The computer programs included CATIGE, 
BEAM, AUTOCAD 2000 and MICROSTRAN, as well as programs used to 
identify and classify soils using the UNIFIED SOIL 
CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

In addition, U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies have 
received indications that Al-Qa'ida members have sought 
information on Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition (SCADA) 
systems available on multiple SCADA-related web sites. They 
specifically sought information on water supply and wastewater 
management practices in the U.S. and abroad. There has also been 
interest in insecticides and pest control products at several 
web sites.

Recipients can find additional information regarding posting 
sensitive infrastructure-related information on Internet web 
sites in NIPC Advisory 02-001 issued on 17 January 2002 at 
http://www.nipc.gov/warnings/advisories/2002/02-001.htm. The 
intent of this bulletin was to encourage Internet content 
providers to review the sensitivity of the data they provide 
online.

The NIPC encourages recipients of this Information Bulletin to 
report information concerning criminal or terrorist activity to 
their local FBI office http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm or 
the NIPC, and to other appropriate authorities. Recipients may 
report incidents online at 
http://www.nipc.gov/incident/cirr.htm, and can reach the NIPC 
Watch and Warning Unit at (202) 323-3205, 1-888-585-9078 or 
nipc.watch () fbi gov-
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Bernie 
Chief Technology Architect
Chief Security Officer
cta () hcsin net
Euclidean Systems, Inc.
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