Are PHC going to ultimately secure more work for "Security Consultants"?

[hellnbak () nmrc org (hellNbak)]

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Interesting -- the header even says it came from my mail box -
mail.entrenchtech.com - thats what I get for allowing Exchange to relay.
ooop my bad....

Guess its time for me to start signing emails and of course turn off
relaying.

For the record:

1.)  This mailing list is not stupid
2.)  They probably already have drawn the attention of law enforcement but
I have no way of really knowing that.
3.)  They are not buying me a new house.  But if any of you wish to buy me
a house feel free.  :-)
4.)  I am a fsking moron for leaving relaying open on my mail server so I
got what I deserve.
5.)  Relaying is now closed and all messages to Full-Disclosure will be
posted from this mail account and signed.
6.)  To whomever relayed the message -- I will have your IP addr in my
logs but I ph33r your l33tn3ss.  lol

sigh............what a way to start a Monday......

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Steve  Manzuik wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:13:23 -0600
> From: Steve  Manzuik <steve () entrenchtech com>
> To: James Martin <fulldisclose () uuuppz com>, full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Are PHC going to ultimately secure more
>     work for "Security Consultants"?
>
> That is exactly what I said to them on that stupid mailing list.  "Thanks, you are buying me a new home..." which of 
> course gets them into a frenzy of "sell-out" and other accusations.  But whatever, they are a bunch of misguided 
> souls who think they are going to make a name for themselves.  I think this last rant from them, if its not happening 
> already, will draw the attention of various law enforcement.
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: James Martin [mailto:fulldisclose () uuuppz com]
>       Sent: Mon 9/16/2002 5:56 AM
>       To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
>       Cc:
>       Subject: [Full-disclosure] Are PHC going to ultimately secure more work for "Security Consultants"?
>
>
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>       I've been pondering the real effect PHC are going to have (if at
>       least
>       partially successful) on the "Security Industry". My conclusion is
>       that
>       ultimately they will help, not hinder the industry. I'd be interested
>       to
>       hear your comments on my argument.
>
>       What does the industry rely on to maintain a market? Fear. Fear of
>       breaches
>       of privacy. Fear of vandalism. Fear of embarrassment. Fear of loss of
>       productivity.
>
>       For a company to invest in maintaining security, they must be able to
>       justify their fears. As many of you know it can be very difficult to
>       convince those in suits that there's a real risk of being hacked. A
>       tangible
>       representation of the risk is often needed, rather than just
>       protecting
>       against an unknown enemy.
>
>       The spread of worms and viruses has had a very noticeable effect on
>       the
>       security policy in several companies to which I have involvement.
>       CodeRed
>       and Nimda are words known to many relatively untech-savvy managers,
>       they
>       instil fear. However it is still difficult to convince many that
>       there is a
>       real risk of non automated attacks on their systems (i.e. real people
>       hacking them, not a worm or virus). Part of the reason for this is
>       there is
>       no coherent focus on who these unknown enemies are.
>
>       If PHC et al succeed in building a name for themselves in the media,
>       they
>       will become to Al Quida of the security  industry. Still very sketchy
>       in
>       detail, but a label for the risk. This in my opinion should prove a
>       powerful
>       weapon in the arsenal of those pushing for larger (or even some)
>       budgeted
>       capital for security related services.
>
>       Ultimately a threat is going to strengthen the industry not weaken
>       it. Keep
>       up the good work PHC, your securing the internet ;P.
>
>
>       Regards
>       James
>
>
>       Web: http://www.uuuppz.com
>       Email:  me () uuuppz com
>
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