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Re: Beyond black, white, and grey: the Yellow Hat Hacker
From: ratel <ratel () mailvault com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:46:32 -0500 (EST)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 18-Nov-2002 17:49:36 -0500, you wrote:
Obviously you have not been familiarised with the lamers other posts.
any
reply to his crap only furthers his and his groups wishes for a
soapbox.
And 90% of the list is not interested in their childish rants.
Please
desist. Thanks, Ron DuFresne
Desist what? I don't see why we can't have a reasonable discussion about the idea that putting exploits in the hands of script kiddies while cashing in and making a great show of how much you care about protecting security is hypocritical, that's all. I happen to think this is a deadly serious topic we can't afford to sweep under the rug just because we happen to disapprove of someone's elocution. Is calling oneself a blackhat really a prerequisite to despising derivative snake oil hucksters and back-stabbing money-grubbing frauds? It certainly shouldn't be. You'd think anyone who actually cares about improving security would find the current state of affairs every bit as nauseating and beneath contempt as the PHC. Plugging our ears and patting each other on the back won't make anything about the situation better. Maybe encouraging more people to take a good hard look in the mirror about why they're doing what they do will. If my thoughts on this honestly strike you as being some part of a childish rant, so be it. If my failure to provide my real identity and credentials here bars my entry into the class of "serious people" worth considering, that's fine too. After all, we all have our own ideas about what makes someone a laughingstock. But I would hope that the message itself would be somewhat independent of the messenger, given that so very much hangs in the balance. Ratel. *** "Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now we bleat like sheep for security." - Norman Vincent Peale. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: MailVault 2.2 from Laissez Faire City http://www.mailvault.com iQA/AwUAPdmz9OYNtyh3zif9EQJrGwCfbhfLKYDfrJ4N0L+shBiHoy5OWKkAoOyi 9ySYmIu0n0LPGXcC8YZuDrkP =GXZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- Beyond black, white, and grey: the Yellow Hat Hacker ratel (Nov 18)
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- Re: Beyond black, white, and grey: the Yellow Hat Hacker ratel (Nov 18)
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- Re: Beyond black, white, and grey: the Yellow Hat Hacker rrm (Nov 18)
- Re: Beyond black, white, and grey: the Yellow Hat Hacker Ian Eyberg (Nov 18)
- Re: Beyond black, white, and grey: the Yellow Hat Hacker hellNbak (Nov 18)
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