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The Death Of TCP/IP [OT]
From: full-disclosure () lists netsys com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:12:09 -0600
Interesting article but I think he is wrong. Pallidium (I keep wanting to spell it Playdium - you know the big arcades in the movie theatres...) is starting to look more like an anti-piracy campaign than it is security. The true test is going to be how Pallidium compliant hardware will react to non-Pallidium operating systems. In the article the guy talks about "TCP/MS" -- this will never work. MS owns the home and corporate desktops, but there are way too many legacy boxes on the Internet and way too many legacy applications that require *NIX boxes to run. What does this mean? This means that TCP/IP can never be replaced until these applications are replaced. This is something that isn't going to happen for a very long time if at all. Even if the whole TCP/MS thing came to be, what is going to stop people from simply keeping their legacy TCP/IP networks and ignore MS boxes? I highly doubt anyone on this mailing list depends on MSN or any MS product to use the Internet (strangely enough I am typing this on an XP box...arrrgh). MS is taking a huge step toward becoming completely proprietary.....hasn't history taught them how successful proprietary systems have been? One interesting thing that no one seems to have mentioned - the Intel CPU Serial # that caused an uproar a few years back. They exist, disabled by default in the BIOS, but I am willing to bet that this will be a key part in Palladium -- MS is going to need a way to identify each computer -- so that means either MAC addresses (which have proven to have duplicates and can be easily spoofed) or CPU ID # / Serial #. Hello.....big brother......... Of course this is mostly speculation but time will tell. I for one cannot wait for more complete technical details. Regards; Steve Manzuik Founder & Technical Lead Entrench Technologies www.entrenchtech.com Moderator - VulnWatch www.vulnwatch.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-www.csicon.net=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Len Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:24 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: [Full-disclosure] The Death Of TCP/IP [OT] Check out this article on PBS: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020> 627.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure mailing list Full-Disclosure () lists netsys com http://lists.netsys.com/mailman/listinfo/full-> disclosure
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