Shiver me timbers.

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Basically this,

Creative artistry arises from EL8, PHC, et. all regardless
of ones ability to percieve this through sheer ignorance or
lack of sensory perception.  If I take your definition
of 'old-school hacking' surely EL8 and PHC are hackers,
but the also appear to break into computers and harass
those on IRC in a fundamentally novel way.

They claim that they are hackers by being blackhat,
and you claim that they are hackers by being creative.
If they refrained from their creative outlet of blackhat
activities they surely would no longer be hackers
by either definition.

This is not to say that they are not annoying fucking
bastards.
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