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#PHRACK HIGH COUNCIL SPEAKS
From: full-disclosure () lists netsys com (Berend-Jan Wever)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:48:49 +0200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nilr31ib8Q18+aySudBRrg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I forwarded this message to your mother and she told me you're gonna = be grounded the next few years untill you're 16... My own porn archive is sufficiently large to accomodate my wishes, pl= ease do not use this security list to forward pictures of your brothe= r and sister doin' the deed. SkyLined ----- Original Message -----=20 From: phrackbitch () bloodbath co uk=20 To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:49 Subject: [Full-disclosure] #PHRACK HIGH COUNCIL SPEAKS http://www.eurocompton.net/~fuk/phrack/ Think you're secure? You're not. It's time for an underground revolution. Stop being a machine for t= he fucking security industry. They bang on about how evil the vendors= are and how evil the DMCA is; it's almost like they believe the corr= upt security industry is actually doing the world a favour. Hacking doesn't need pansy definitions or 60's hippy undertones. Th= ere is only one modern definition of hacker. You either hack or you d= on't. What kind of hacker would help the security industry to stop other = hackers getting in? STOP BEING BRAINWASHED. STOP BEING BRAINWASHED. STOP BEING BRAINWAS= HED. Join us -- #phrack@efnet -- to teach and learn. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% THIS MOVEMENT IS APART OF THE ANTI-SEC / ANTI-WHITEHAT MOVEMENT. THIS IS NOT A JOKE READ THE ENTIRE FUCKING FAQ. THIS IS THE SIMPLE #PHRACK FAQ: keep this in mind: when speaking of phrack "magazine" we mean that = whitehat magazine on phrack.org. also we use examples, but this applies to a= ll people and websites that fall into these categories. 1) what is a whitehat? a) A WHITEHAT IS ANYONE WHO HELPS THE SECURITY INDUSTRY (POSTING BU= GS/INFO ETC) 2) are there greyhats? a) NO, ONCE A PERSON HAS THE EVIL WHITEHAT WAYS INSIDE OF THEM, THE= Y BECOME A PURE WHITEHAT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. 3) how come "blackhats" are helping the security industry (bugtraq/= phrack)? a) THE SECURITY INDUSTRY INFECTS HACKERS WITH THESE EVIL THOUGHTS. = THE SECURITY INDUSTRY BRAINWASHES HACKERS TO WORK FOR THEM (BY PUBLI= SHING THIS BUG/INFO/CODE INFORMATION). ALSO THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT BLACKHATS,= THEY ARE WHITEHATS BASED ON QUESTION #2. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY DO NOT = REALIZE IT. ALSO MOST OF THESE SO CALLED "BLACKHATS" DONT HACK. REAL HACKERS= DO NOT=20 ACTUALLY PUBLICIZE SUCH INFORMATION (TO PHRACK BUGTRAQ ETC). 4) how is phrack a whitehat magazine? a) EVERY TECHNIQUE THAT IS RELEASED IN PHRACK IS NOW REALIZED BY TH= E SECURITY INDUSTRY. THE SEC INDUSTRY NOW SPENDS TIME TO THWART THESE TECHN= IQUES. ALSO, ALOT OF THE ARTICLES IN PHRACK DO NOT BENEFIT THE "HACKER = SCENE" AT ALL. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT "POSITIVE" IDS ARTICLES OR HONEY= POT KEYLOGGERS MAKE THERE WAY INTO A "for hackers by hackers" MAGAZI= NE? 5) what are people like spaf/chris rouland/lance then? a) THEY ARE THE ENEMY. WHITEHATS =3D ENEMY. 6) im confused, i thought k2 is a blackhat but he helps with honeyp= ot? a) HES NOT A BLACKHAT, HES A BAD ROLE MODEL FOR ALL HACKERS. HE IS= =20 BRAINWASHED BY THE SECURITY SCENE. IF HE CHANGES - GOOD FOR HIM.= IF HE CONTINUES HIS WAYS - HE WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE ENEMY. 7) i get what you're saying now, so like k2/duke/horizon/scut (for = example) aren't really hackers, they are just brainwashed by the security= industry to work for them? a) THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CORRECT. 8) so what am i supposed to do? a) STOP MAKING ANY OF YOUR INFORMATION PUBLIC. BY INFORMATION WE ME= AN CODE,BUGS,TECHNIQUES ETC. KEEP THIS INFORMATION PRIVATE. DON'T T= RADE IT ON IRC. DON'T ENTRUST THIS INFORMATION INTO INDIVIDUALS YOU D= ONT TRUST 100% (SOME PEOPLE TURN AROUND AND LEAK ALL YOUR SHIT OR TH= EY END UP SELLING IT TO ISS). AND FOR FUCKS SAKE, TRY ACTUALLY USIN= G WHAT YOU CODE/FIND. 9) why do people like that whitehouse guy say "hackers shouldnt hel= p criminals" or "hackers should help security industry by responsibly disclos= ing bug information to companies"? a) THIS IS APART OF THE MASSIVE CAMPEIGN TO GET HACKERS TO WORK FOR= THEM. THE FACT IS THAT IF THE "HACKING SCENE" DOESNT HELP THE SECURITY= INDUSTRY, THEY WILL BECOME LOST BECAUSE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF COMPLETE IDIOT= S. THE BEST BUGS/INFORMATION IS USUALLY GIVEN TO THE SECURITY INDUSTRY = BY PEOPLE IN THE "HACK SCENE", AND THIS IS A FACT. IT MUST STOP. 10) how can i help? a) HELP SPREAD THIS WAY OF THINKING TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, ONCE PEOP= LE REALIZE THEY ARE BEING BRAINWASHED AND PROFITTED OFF OF, THEY WILL CHANG= E. IF YOU=20 WANT TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, START MAYBE THINKING ABOUT PR= OJECT MAYHEM. 11) ok, but like what if i dont want to change now? "lol" a) YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN LIKE K2, DERAADT, DUGSONG, ETC. THE INTE= RNET IS NO LONGER SAFE FOR WHITEHATS. NO LONGER SAFE FOR THE SECURITY= INDUSTRY. 12) what should whitehats think of this movement? a) WHITEHATS/SECURITY INDUSTRY PEOPLE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THIS MOVE= MENT. IT SEEMS THAT HIGH MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY INDUSTRY HAVE ALREADY= FALLEN VICTIM TO THIS MOVEMENT. THEY SHOULD STOP PUBLICLY MAKING AVAILA= BLE INFO SUCH AS "BUGS" OR "CODE" OR "TECHNIQUES". IF THEY DO NOT CH= ANGE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE TARGETED, AND IT SUCKS TO GET OWNED/FIR= ED/ PHYSICALLY BEATEN. 13) why does #phrack like DMCA? DMCA MAKES IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T POST THESE BUGS/CODE ETC. REA= D UP ON IT. IT WILL BE A GREAT WEAPON FOR THIS MOVEMENT ONCE IT START= S BEING ENFORCED ON A REGULAR BASIS. 14) ya ok, i think im going to change, this isn't some joke right? a) NO IT ISN'T A JOKE. SECURITY INDUSTRY CANT SURVIVE AT ALL WITHOU= T THE SELLOUTS & BRAINWASHED SECTION OF THE HACKER SCENE. CHANGE Y= OUR FUCKING WAYS. DONT POST. DONT HELP THE SECURITY INDUSTRY. STOP... BEING.... BRAINWASHED...................... THE END: written in 25 minutes by the PHC, so dont bug us. -- Personalised email by http://another.com --Boundary_(ID_nilr31ib8Q18+aySudBRrg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8= 859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ecfaff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I forwarded this message to your mot= her and she=20 told me you're gonna be grounded the next few years untill you'r= e=20 16...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My own porn archive is sufficiently = large to=20 accomodate my wishes, please do not use this security list to forward= pictures=20 of your brother and sister doin' the deed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SkyLined</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BOR= DER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">= <B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dphrackbitch () bloodbath co uk=20 href=3D"mailto:phrackbitch () bloodbath co uk">phrackbitch@bloodbath.c= o.uk</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dfull-disclosure () lists netsys com=20 href=3D"mailto:full-disclosure () lists netsys com">full-disclosure@li= sts.netsys.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 11, 200= 2 4:49</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Full-Disclosure] #= PHRACK HIGH=20 COUNCIL SPEAKS</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://www.eurocompton.net/~fuk/phrack/";>http://www.eurocom= pton.net/~fuk/phrack/</A><BR><BR>Think=20 you're secure? You're not.<BR><BR>It's time for an underground revo= lution.=20 Stop being a machine for the fucking security industry. They bang o= n about how=20 evil the vendors are and how evil the DMCA is; it's almost like the= y believe=20 the corrupt security industry is actually doing the world a=20 favour.<BR><BR>Hacking doesn't need pansy definitions or 60's hippy= =20 undertones. There is only one modern definition of hacker. You eith= er hack or=20 you don't.<BR><BR>What kind of hacker would help the security indus= try to stop=20 other hackers getting in?<BR><BR>STOP BEING BRAINWASHED. STOP BEING= =20 BRAINWASHED. STOP BEING BRAINWASHED.<BR><BR>Join us -- <A=20 href=3D"mailto:#phrack@efnet";>#phrack@efnet</A> -- to teach and= =20 learn.<BR><BR>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%= %%%%%%%%%%%<BR>THIS=20 MOVEMENT IS APART OF THE ANTI-SEC / ANTI-WHITEHAT MOVEMENT.<BR><BR>= THIS IS NOT=20 A JOKE READ THE ENTIRE FUCKING FAQ.<BR><BR>THIS IS THE SIMPLE #PHRA= CK=20 FAQ:<BR><BR>keep this in mind: when speaking of phrack "magazine" w= e mean that=20 whitehat<BR>magazine on phrack.org. also we use examples, but this = applies to=20 all people<BR>and websites that fall into these categories.<BR><BR>= 1) what is=20 a whitehat?<BR>a) A WHITEHAT IS ANYONE WHO HELPS THE SECURITY INDUS= TRY=20 (POSTING BUGS/INFO ETC)<BR><BR>2) are there greyhats?<BR>a) NO, ONC= E A PERSON=20 HAS THE EVIL WHITEHAT WAYS INSIDE OF THEM, THEY BECOME A PURE WHITE= HAT, PLAIN=20 AND SIMPLE.<BR><BR>3) how come "blackhats" are helping the security= industry=20 (bugtraq/phrack)?<BR>a) THE SECURITY INDUSTRY INFECTS HACKERS WITH = THESE EVIL=20 THOUGHTS. THE<BR> SECURITY INDUSTRY BRAINWASHES HACKERS= TO WORK=20 FOR THEM (BY PUBLISHING THIS<BR> BUG/INFO/CODE INFORMAT= ION). ALSO=20 THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT BLACKHATS, THEY ARE<BR> WHITEHATS = BASED ON=20 QUESTION #2. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY DO NOT REALIZE IT.<BR> &= nbsp; ALSO=20 MOST OF THESE SO CALLED "BLACKHATS" DONT HACK. REAL HACKERS DO NOT= =20 <BR> ACTUALLY PUBLICIZE SUCH INFORMATION (TO PHRACK BUG= TRAQ=20 ETC).<BR><BR>4) how is phrack a whitehat magazine?<BR>a) EVERY TECH= NIQUE THAT=20 IS RELEASED IN PHRACK IS NOW REALIZED BY THE SECURITY<BR> &nbs= p;=20 INDUSTRY. THE SEC INDUSTRY NOW SPENDS TIME TO THWART THESE=20 TECHNIQUES.<BR><BR> ALSO, ALOT OF THE ARTICLES IN PHRAC= K DO NOT=20 BENEFIT THE "HACKER SCENE"<BR> AT ALL. HOW IS IT POSSIB= LE THAT=20 "POSITIVE" IDS ARTICLES OR HONEYPOT<BR> KEYLOGGERS MAKE= THERE WAY=20 INTO A "for hackers by hackers" MAGAZINE?<BR><BR>5) what are people= like=20 spaf/chris rouland/lance then?<BR>a) THEY ARE THE ENEMY. WHITEHATS = =3D=20 ENEMY.<BR><BR>6) im confused, i thought k2 is a blackhat but he hel= ps with=20 honeypot?<BR>a) HES NOT A BLACKHAT, HES A BAD ROLE MODEL FOR ALL HA= CKERS. HE=20 IS <BR> BRAINWASHED BY THE SECURITY SCENE. IF HE CHANGE= S - GOOD=20 FOR HIM. IF HE<BR> CONTINUES HIS WAYS - HE WILL CONTINU= E TO BE THE=20 ENEMY.<BR><BR>7) i get what you're saying now, so like k2/duke/hori= zon/scut=20 (for example)<BR> aren't really hackers, they are just = brainwashed=20 by the security industry<BR> to work for them?<BR>a) TH= IS IS=20 ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CORRECT.<BR><BR>8) so what am i supposed to do?<= BR>a) STOP=20 MAKING ANY OF YOUR INFORMATION PUBLIC. BY INFORMATION WE MEAN<BR>&n= bsp; =20 CODE,BUGS,TECHNIQUES ETC. KEEP THIS INFORMATION PRIVATE. DON'T=20 TRADE<BR> IT ON IRC. DON'T ENTRUST THIS INFORMATION INT= O=20 INDIVIDUALS YOU DONT<BR> TRUST 100% (SOME PEOPLE TURN A= ROUND AND=20 LEAK ALL YOUR SHIT OR THEY<BR> END UP SELLING IT TO ISS= ). AND FOR=20 FUCKS SAKE, TRY ACTUALLY USING<BR> WHAT YOU CODE/FIND.<= BR><BR>9)=20 why do people like that whitehouse guy say "hackers shouldnt help= =20 criminals"<BR> or "hackers should help security industr= y by=20 responsibly disclosing bug<BR> information to companies= "?<BR>a)=20 THIS IS APART OF THE MASSIVE CAMPEIGN TO GET HACKERS TO WORK FOR= =20 THEM.<BR> THE FACT IS THAT IF THE "HACKING SCENE" DOESN= T HELP THE=20 SECURITY INDUSTRY,<BR> THEY WILL BECOME LOST BECAUSE TH= EY ARE A=20 BUNCH OF COMPLETE IDIOTS. THE<BR> BEST BUGS/INFORMATION= IS USUALLY=20 GIVEN TO THE SECURITY INDUSTRY BY PEOPLE<BR> IN THE "HA= CK SCENE",=20 AND THIS IS A FACT. IT MUST STOP.<BR><BR>10) how can i help?<BR>a) = HELP SPREAD=20 THIS WAY OF THINKING TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, ONCE PEOPLE REALIZE<BR>&= nbsp; =20 THEY ARE BEING BRAINWASHED AND PROFITTED OFF OF, THEY WILL CHANGE. = IF YOU=20 <BR> WANT TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, START MAYBE THI= NKING ABOUT=20 PROJECT MAYHEM.<BR><BR>11) ok, but like what if i dont want to chan= ge now?=20 "lol"<BR>a) YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN LIKE K2, DERAADT, DUGSONG, ETC.= THE=20 INTERNET<BR> IS NO LONGER SAFE FOR WHITEHATS. NO LONGER= SAFE FOR=20 THE SECURITY INDUSTRY.<BR><BR>12) what should whitehats think of th= is=20 movement?<BR>a) WHITEHATS/SECURITY INDUSTRY PEOPLE SHOULD BE AFRAID= OF THIS=20 MOVEMENT.<BR> IT SEEMS THAT HIGH MEMBERS OF THE SECURIT= Y INDUSTRY=20 HAVE ALREADY FALLEN<BR> VICTIM TO THIS MOVEMENT. THEY S= HOULD STOP=20 PUBLICLY MAKING AVAILABLE<BR> INFO SUCH AS "BUGS" OR "C= ODE" OR=20 "TECHNIQUES". IF THEY DO NOT CHANGE<BR> THEY WILL CONTI= NUE TO BE=20 TARGETED, AND IT SUCKS TO GET OWNED/FIRED/<BR> PHYSICAL= LY=20 BEATEN.<BR><BR>13) why does #phrack like DMCA?<BR> DMCA= MAKES IT=20 SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T POST THESE BUGS/CODE ETC. READ UP<BR> &nb= sp; ON IT.=20 IT WILL BE A GREAT WEAPON FOR THIS MOVEMENT ONCE IT STARTS<BR> = ; =20 BEING ENFORCED ON A REGULAR BASIS.<BR><BR>14) ya ok, i think im goi= ng to=20 change, this isn't some joke right?<BR>a) NO IT ISN'T A JOKE. SECUR= ITY=20 INDUSTRY CANT SURVIVE AT ALL WITHOUT<BR> THE SELLOUTS &= amp;=20 BRAINWASHED SECTION OF THE HACKER SCENE. CHANGE YOUR<BR>  = ; FUCKING=20 WAYS. DONT POST. DONT HELP THE SECURITY INDUSTRY.<BR><BR> &nbs= p; STOP...=20 BEING.... BRAINWASHED......................<BR><BR>THE END: written= in 25=20 minutes by the PHC, so dont bug=20 us.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Personalised email by <A=20 href=3D"http://another.com";>http://another.com</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>= </BODY></HTML> --Boundary_(ID_nilr31ib8Q18+aySudBRrg)--
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