RE: Definition of Zero Day Protection

["Brian Smith" <bsmith () tippingpoint com>]

It's important to distinguish between zero day exploits
and zero day vulnerabilities.  Zero day exploits exploit a known
vulnerability with a new exploit (like Code Red vs. Code Red II).
Zero day vulnerabilities are flaws in software that no one knows about
except the attacker.

Several products (TippingPoint, MacAfee, ISS, to name a few) can detect
and block zero day exploits by detecting network traffic that tries to
exploit the underlying vulnerability.  These all work by decoding the
application request and checking that the network traffic is attempting
to exploit the underlying vulnerability.

Zero day vulnerabilities are another animal entirely.  These are detected
(if at all) by noticing statistical or behavioral anomalies.  For example,
they might detect a sudden surge in UDP traffic destined for a particular
port, or notice that two machines are starting to communicate on a
port that they've never used before.  There's no known way to surgically
block just the bad traffic in that case.  As Steve says, blocking traffic
detected by behavioral/statistical anomalies will sometimes block new
applications.

Several products offer mitigation strategies to limit the new traffic's
ability to impact existing applications (e.g., they might rate limit
the UDP traffic to 1 Mbps so it doesn't swamp you network), but I don't
know of any product that can block zero day vulnerabilities with blocking
legitimate traffic.  If a vendor thinks their product can block zero day vulnerabilities without blocking legitimate 
traffic, please post the
details of how your product works.  I'm sure everyone here would
love to get some hard facts on this type of technology.

        Brian Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: Carey, Steve T GARRISON [mailto:steven-carey () us army mil]
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:27 PM
To: Teicher, Mark (Mark)
Cc: Seanor, Joseph (Joe); focus-ids () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Definition of Zero Day Protection


Would say they are 'misguided', they believe it.  But from the different IDS and IPS systems I have tested and used, 
the IPS CAN stop attacks, however, if someone in your organization starts using a new software, it may get stopped by 
the IPS.  Also, if the Zero Day Exploit is on the encrypted side, like ssl, then no it wouldn't stop it.  

There is some new technology being worked concerning Kernel Protection that comes close, but still is being worked.

The biggest problem with Zero Day Protection is encrypted programs.  Host based programs can work, but still believe 
that as of today it is still going to take a human to ensure Zero Day Protection (provided they have the necessary 
tools to do it with). 

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Teicher, Mark (Mark) [mailto:teicher () avaya com]
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:14 PM
To: Carey, Steve T GARRISON
Cc: Seanor, Joseph (Joe); focus-ids () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Definition of Zero Day Protection


Marketing ploy??  You mean marketing people don't state the truth about
Zero Day Protection and how it works ??

/mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Carey, Steve T GARRISON [mailto:steven-carey () us army mil] 
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:08 AM
To: Teicher, Mark (Mark)
Cc: Seanor, Joseph (Joe); focus-ids () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Definition of Zero Day Protection

My own personal opinion, based on 7 years of experience in intrusion
detection, is that it is a marketing ploy.  Only way to ensure Zero Day
Protection is to use a 'suite' of IDS tools and have an analyst looking
at those logs 24/7 to find the Zero Day Exploit.  

Vendors can state they prevent Zero Day Exploits but to do that you can
also stop legitimate traffic.  Maybe sometime in the future that can
happen, but not today.

Steve Carey

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