RE: Views and Correlation in Intrusion Detection

[Chmielarski TOM-ATC090 <Tom.Chmielarski () motorola com>]

> > To be really effective, I'd like to see a system that looks at packets 
> > coming in to the network, compares those to packets hitting specific 
> > servers, "knows" if the server is vulnerable to the specific attack and 
> > *then* sends an alert.

I dont know how _well_ it works, but if your an ISS shop then
SiteProtector/Fusion is supposed to do this now. So is nCircle's IP360.
Granted, this is a far cry from a universal management console with the
logic to do this between products from multiple vendors. Nor are they cheap.
But if you have all the products from one the same company this integration
seems on the horizon, with several vendors working on it - so if it doesnt
work well yet it should soon. (laughter)

If you want the whole enchilada, and have the $$, there are a slew of
Security Log Managers or <insert marking phrase name here> that are
attempting to do this. Arcsight, intellitactics, Micromuse, e-Security,
netforensics, and Open are vendors, to name a few at random, that have
products that will take all of your data, put it into a uniform format, and
apply correlation rules for you. The quality of this varies a lot between
products, and seems related to price. Some of the products consider
correlation to be simply noting that messages from two disparate logs have
the same IP (src or dst). Other products have a more detailed correlation
rule set engine, allowing you to say "IF events X, Y, and Z, but NOT A and
from subnet 1.2.3.255 THEN generate alert Meta1." These later products often
come with large pre-programmed generic rules to attempt and catch some
common patterns. The ability to integrate IDS data and vulnerability scan
data is lacking in most of these.

$0.02
-Tom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schmehl [mailto:pauls () utdallas edu]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:26 PM
To: adam.w.hogan; Focus-Ids (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Views and Correlation in Intrusion Detection


How about a "user's" POV?

To be really effective, I'd like to see a system that looks at packets 
coming in to the network, compares those to packets hitting specific 
servers, "knows" if the server is vulnerable to the specific attack and 
*then* sends an alert.

To do this kind of work you would need:
1) a db (A) with the info on each server - OS, applications, 
vulnerabilities, etc.
2) a detection engine that matches the IP and attack sig to the entry in 
the db (A) with its own db (B) of sigs
3) an escalation procedure that recognizes that attack A was successful and 
attack B has begun and therefore alerts "more aggressively".

I don't want to know if an attacker is trying an overflow attack on my IMAP 
server if my IMAP server isn't vulnerable to that attack.  I could care 
less.  I also don't want to know if some box somewhere with Code Red is 
hitting my network *unless* I have a box that's susceptible to Code Red.

So it takes a combination of knowledge to alert "intelligently".  1) What 
is the attack?  2) Is the box vulnerable to that attack?  3) Did the attack 
reach that box?  4) Was the attack successful?

--On Monday, June 23, 2003 02:25:40 PM -0400 "adam.w.hogan" 
<adam.w.hogan () delphi com> wrote:

> It seems to me that this thread and the 'IDS is dead, etc' thread are
> both coming to same conclusions.  Namely, much more work/research needs
> to be done in event correlation to efficiently, and effectively, use an
> IDS.

Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu)
Adjunct Information Security Officer
The University of Texas at Dallas
AVIEN Founding Member
http://www.utdallas.edu

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