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Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right?
From: "Dave Piscitello" <dave () corecom com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:09:30 -0400
We collapsing threads 1) misrepresentation/deception and accountability This is what Ron's reply to my email mentioned. I think we all agree. This is plain bad acting and it really would be refreshing to see someone apply laws commonly enforced in the brick-and-mortar world to the virtual world. Add it to the list of things I want to see before I die. 2) Hiding complexity versus hiding the truth about a product I spoke of hiding complexity in my email - putting grep/awk/sed behind a GUI is very different from not documenting that "left set to factory default settings, our device accepts incoming ftp connections from guest accounts with no password enforcement." On 13 Jun 2005 at 15:13, Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
R. DuFresne wrote:Failing to do so moves liability out of the end users realm, even Marcus would have to agree there.I couldn't agree more - if a vendor misrepresents their product they should be held accountable. There are agencies of the government that are already responsible for enforcing truth-in-advertising rules, and there are precendent-setting decisions that hold the vendors liable in such circumstances. In the field of software, we have 2 problems - one: the truth in advertising rules are not being enforced effectively, and two: "shrink wrap" licensing has been upheld as a way of releasing vendors for all responsibility - even the consequences of their outright lies. Outright lies? Isn't that a bit severe? Well, I give you one case in point: I recently re-installed Windows XP on my desktop machine (my annual "clean scrape") and as it was installing (and on the product box) Microsoft touted XP as a way to "quickly and securely access the Internet" Oh. Really? mjr.
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- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right?, (continued)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Marcus J. Ranum (Jun 04)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Paul D. Robertson (Jun 04)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? ArkanoiD (Jun 04)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? R. DuFresne (Jun 10)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Dave Piscitello (Jun 10)
- RE: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Brian Loe (Jun 13)
- RE: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Dave Piscitello (Jun 16)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Devdas Bhagat (Jun 17)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? R. DuFresne (Jun 15)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Marcus J. Ranum (Jun 16)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Dave Piscitello (Jun 16)
- Re: Ok, so now we have a firewall, we're safe, right? Paul D. Robertson (Jun 18)