Re: chroot useful?

[mcnabb () argus-systems com (Paul McNabb)]

>  From: Darren Reed <darrenr () cyber com au>
>
>  > >So, how many firewalls out there implemented with any of the common
>  > >operating systems (be they free or commercial) actually do this ?
>  >
>  > Why not ask them.  Many claim to run "hardened" versions of
>  > BSD or LINUX.  Vulnerabilites and exploits are well publicized,
>  > and many of the developers read these lists.   I doubt many
>  > are going to be so arrogant as to take a NIH approach to something
>  > Marcus has contributed to the state of the technology ;-)
>
>  Well, the majority of the firewall market doesn't run on a "hardened"
>  version of the OS because that's not what FW-1 uses.
>
>  What % of the market do those selling hardened OS's make up ?
 
I get a bit confused, and I suspect I'm not alone, about the use of the
term "hardened OS".  To me, a hardened OS is a modified OS, not just a
well-configured system (meaning tightened up and stripped down).  I would
classify Sidewinder as a "hardened OS", and Firewall-1 on Solaris with
the Argus B3 extensions would be "hardened".  I would also put into this
category those firewalls running on Linux systems where the kernel has
been modified for improved security.
 
Offhand, I can think of only two areas where hardening the underlying
OS helps:
 
1) protecting against daemon/proxy flaws, such as stack overwrite bugs,
that would allow an attacker to get a daemon/proxy to do something it
wasn't designed to do,

2) separating administration activities from firewall services, such as
when the firewall is administered via a network interface.

Packet filtering firewalls offering no network services and that are
administered via the console see only marginal benefit from a "hardened"
OS.  The more the firewall is doing in user space, the more chance there
is for a problem and the more a hardened OS will help.

IMHO, stripping down a system by removing unnecessary utilities, services,
and processes reduces the chances of leaving a hole open and is absolutely
essential for making a firewall "secure", but it does little towards making
the remaining services more secure.

paul

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