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Re: Recommend changing students ID numbers?


From: Ben Marsden <bmarsden () SMITH EDU>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:32:26 -0400

Tangentially, we are finding it increasingly difficult to rely on a "name"
to be definitively useful for identity (name options include legal name,
chosen name, preferred name, professional name, etc.) and the name used in
any particular context may not match what is needed in another.  I think we
are trending towards relying on a person's institutional number to be the
more reliable method for identity, particularly over time -- which of
course means it can't be used for authentication purposes.   For FERPA, our
ID number is explicitly listed as a field in "directory information"....
just another tangle in our IAM (IGA) ball of string...

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 11:33 AM Menne, Michael S <michael.menne () mnsu edu>
wrote:

My thoughts mirror Brad’s. While not ideal, what can be done with the
combination?  Is the ID number being used for an identification purpose?
Is it treated like an SSN?  Is it listed as directory data per your FERPA
policy?





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That question begs another question in response:



What does just a student ID number get you at your institution? What is
the risk to the students? The statement that it isn’t confidential and is
printed on ID cards indicates that the number is (hopefully) not being used
for something like identity validation at your institution. I’d say that if
exposing the ID number poses a risk to your students, then you have a
bigger problem printing it on everyone’s ID cards.



Brad Judy



Information Security Officer

Office of Information Security

University of Colorado
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Denver, CO  80203

Office: (303) 860-4293

Fax: (303) 860-4302

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*Date: *Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 8:32 AM
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*Subject: *[SECURITY] Recommend changing students ID numbers?



I would like to poll the other officers on this list and see if the below
scenario warrants changing the student ID numbers:



A file containing a list of new incoming students' names, email addresses,
and their student ID numbers was recently, by accident, emailed to all the
residents of a dorm building.



The student ID numbers can be seen on the student cards.  The above
information isn't confidential, but with student ID numbers aggregated
together, would not be ideal.



Does this event warrant making the suggestion that all the students
mentioned in the file should have their student ID number changed?



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Jared Evans
Information Security Officer
Gallaudet Technology Services
Gallaudet University

jared.evans () gallaudet edu

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