Re: PCI Wireless Question for other colleges/universities

[Dexter Caldwell <dexter.caldwell () FURMAN EDU>]

Mostly we've been able to avoid the more onerous levels of PCI so far by having a policy of no cc processing or storing 
using the network.  We do get some pushback, but for the most part it has saved us a ton of headache.  



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Subject: Re: [SECURITY] PCI Wireless Question for other colleges/universities

DISCLAIMER, I am not a lawyer or a QSA, this is just my assessment.

I think this is an area where there is some disagreement. Some QSAs seem to indicate that once you accept CCs, you also 
need to "police"
other entities that are affiliated with you in some way even if you offer them no services other than internet 
connectivity or leased space.

Clearly, if you did not accept CCs at all, you have no contract with the banks, nor card brands and shouldn't be held 
liable for essentially being an ISP or a landlord for a vendor.

So, if you do accept CCs somewhere else on campus, does that liability change?

I suspect much of the language created by the PCI Council is purposefully vague, simply because trying to define it 
narrowly would create loopholes that would be used to bypass requirements. As such, the language is written broadly and 
you have to assess the risk yourself. I suspect that requirements on monitoring service providers and vendors is 
written broadly because of all the convoluted scenarios that can occur. Some of these businesses out there have 
hundreds of LLCs and shell companies to isolate risk. I suspect the PCI Council is making sure that risk goes back to 
where it belongs. Unfortunately, we can get caught in the net.

Of course, any QSA can disagree and force you to do whatever. And remember, if the banks/card brands want to make you 
liable in a breach scenario, they will find a way.

-Eric

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Carroll, Tim <Carrolltd () roanestate edu> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> With regards to you question about PCI liability for a vendor, it is my belief that we would be liable only if they 
> use my network to transmit credit card data.  My assumption could be wrong, but I would rather err on the side of 
> caution.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Carroll
> Assistant Vice President and Chief Information Officer Information 
> Technology Roane State Community College carrolltd () roanestate edu
> 865-882-4560
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin Reedy
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:09 PM
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> colleges/universities
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I'm a little curious why you feel you have any PCI burden with a vendor that is not affiliated?  Any exposure would 
> be on them, with possible backlash being negative press for you because of selecting them.
>
> I don't see how the PCI burden transfers from vendor to host, that would be like an ISP being held responsible for a 
> breach that occurred over the internet.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
> From:"Carroll, Tim" <Carrolltd () ROANESTATE EDU> 
> To:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU,
> Date:01/25/2016 03:53 PM
> Subject:Re: [SECURITY] PCI Wireless Question for other
>             colleges/universities
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>
>
> The previous advice you received is all correct.  The only thing I would add is how you handle vendors who come on 
> campus temporarily and want to use your network to process their payments.  We handled this by requiring them (by 
> policy and language on contracts) to use their own networks such as a cellular wireless point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
> Tim Carroll
> Assistant Vice President and Chief Information Officer Information 
> Technology Roane State Community College carrolltd () roanestate edu
> 865-882-4560
>
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> mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Chauvet
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:05 PM
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> Subject: [SECURITY] PCI Wireless Question for other 
> colleges/universities
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m wondering how other colleges/universities handled a specific PCI requirement, 11.1.2, regarding unauthorized 
> wireless access points.  We have a few areas with payments going over wireless, but even if we changed things to not 
> use wireless for payments, it appears that this requirement is applicable.
>
> We have taken appropriate steps to secure the terminals/computers, and had a skilled penetration testing company that 
> was completely unable to break through to the payment terminals (or even through the network segmentation).  We also 
> have scanning in place that can detect rogue access points.  I believe that the systems are secure but security isn’t 
> compliance.
>
> In this day and age where anyone can turn their phone into an access point, there are always a number of them, most 
> of them being transient.  What have other colleges done when faced with these situations?  We’re not a huge school 
> that can afford the staff that it would take to go hunt the transient access points down.
>
> I’d appreciate anything you can share on- or off-list about this scenario.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Chauvet
> Information Security Officer
> State University of New York at New Paltz chauvetp () newpaltz edu
> 845-257-3828
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