Re: Choruss: micropayments from ISPs to copyrightholders

["Miller,James R" <millerj () UAKRON EDU>]

I am also in agreement with Carl. Admitting guilt and paying a user fee to save the RIAA money is totally unacceptable 
and as stated in their article, does not exempt anyone from their lawsuits anyway. Who and what are still trying to 
milk, as Carl puts it, a dead issue.

Jim

Jim Miller
CISSP,CCSP
Lead Network Engineer
The University of Akron
(330) 972-7958
millerj () uakron edu


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Carl J
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I thought it was pretty much a given that this idea was dead. Most organizations seemed to, rightly so in my opinion,  
completely balk at the idea. This is a horrible path to start down. It essentially assumes everyone is guilty and takes 
the burden of proof completely off the table. Carry out this horrible idea for ISPs to the logical conclusion: your 
local <insert media company here> will decide that most of its customers have open wireless at home and therefore must 
have people downloading stuff illegally. Cost for micropayments are happily passed onto you, the dear customer, in the 
form of yet another monthly fee. 

Just my .02, but I reeeeeeally hope someone stuck a fork in this one and declared it done. (Didn't this used to be 
referred to as paying your local thug for 'protection'?)

Carl


Carl J. Ness, M.S., CISSP
Senior Security Analyst
CIO Office, University of Iowa

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Derek K.
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We would be interested in more detail on this as well.  We got a group together to listen to a webcast about this, I 
think it was put on by Educause, and several questions were asked about the pricing but no real answers were given.  
The whole presentation was more confusing than informative and left us with the impression that it was mostly vaporware 
at this point.  Any actual information about the implementation and expected costs would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

-------------Baylor University-------------
Derek Tonkin
Information Security Analyst
Information Technology Services - Security
derek_tonkin () baylor edu        254-710-7061
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MILLAR
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Subject: [SECURITY] Choruss: micropayments from ISPs to copyrightholders

Does anyone know any details about the cost model, and what a university
might have to pay?  Have any universities signed on?

The Wired article cites a cost of "south of $5" per student per month.  I'm
wondering if that is just residential students or all students.

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/12/warner-music-gr.html

Thanks,
Dave