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["Mclaughlin, Kevin (mclaugkl)" <mclaugkl () UCMAIL UC EDU>]

Hi Brad:


We attempted that approach but a lot of the Professor's in our graduate
programs pushed back hard. I had many comments like "the electronic
gradebook doesn't work in the manner I need it to,   I have specific grade
requirements that can't be supported by the Gradebook tool, are you now
trying to dictate how I conduct course assessments? Et cetera."   I do like
the number or secret word idea for hardcopy postings and will try to wrap my
mind on some ways to do that electronically as well.  At the end of the day
though I suspect even the Security supporters within my community will see
this as yet another unfunded mandate that requires significant process
change to comply with and in the case of a single list of class grades
little risk associated with non-compliance.

I have no solutions here - just questions.... :-)

-Kevin


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[mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Brad Judy
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:11 AM
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We restricted the use of SID's for displaying grades a long time ago.
Faculty are encouraged to use the course management system as a gradebook,
even if they aren't using it for course content.  This is a good option
since students can check their grades from anywhere and there is built-in
authentication and access control.  For traditional "paper on the wall"
grade postings, faculty collect a number sequence or word of choice from
their students to use as an identifier.

Brad Judy

IT Security Office
University of Colorado at Boulder

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This potentially hits us hard on the whole Student ID front.  We don't use
SSNs or User IDs as Directory information but we do treat our UC specific
student IDs as Directory (internal use non restricted) data.  These UC IDs
are restricted by policy from being used in any sort of authentication
process and it would make sense for us to continue using these as Directory
data on many of the other regulated fronts.  Now FERPA is saying to restrict
the use of these as well so with my adjunct hat on I am scratching my head
wondering how in the world I can share my student's progress with them in a
manageable way.  Also, I already know, based on previous conversations with
full time faculty, that going to them and telling them that we have now
decided to also restrict the use of Student ID for communicating grades and
progress to students will cause an uproar and protest.  

Any suggestions?

-Kevin

Kevin L. McLaughlin
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Basgen, Brian wrote:

> Steve,
>
> You raise an interesting point. Yet, student IDs as directory
> information can be problematic, since faculty sometimes publicly post
> grades with student IDs attached. In this case the faculty member is
> confusing identification with authentication, but you know, good luck
> explaining that to faculty. :)

Actually good luck with explaining it to most people.. is there a nice 
pop-up book or something similar that explains what identity is, what 
authentication is, and why they are not the same? Something that helps 
everyone from secretaries to Provosts understand when and where the two 
conflict in people's minds.

I mean how often can one get past some sticky point because someone says 
"Listen, we really need to get this done because Provost A has been 
asking about it." Or something else. People will take that name, and 
accept it as identity and authentication that Provost A wants to get 
this done. And we do it because A) Humans are naturally trusting of 
their social monkey group, and B) Asking too many questions to confirm 
authorization and authentication slows things down, makes our fellow 
monkeys cranky and is usually false alarms.


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