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Re: RIAA timestamps off
From: Rick Coloccia <coloccia () GENESEO EDU>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:26:19 -0400
We got 14 these past two weeks. Very frustrating, since we use a packet shaper and an Audible Magic box to minimize this kind of traffic. (All 14 were for encrypted protocols...) In every single case, the student admits, "Yes I use limewire/ares/etc" and "Yes I have that song" so while the timestamps may well be off we don't think that's a significant issue with regard to these takedown notices. Our students admit to the file sharing (but most claim they don't know that the same program that lets them get the song re-shares it to the world), they get their stern warning, and life goes on. I realize that there are technical differences between "making available" and someone "actually downloading" the song via a p2p program, but with my students the difference isn't truly significant. We bring students in, teach them the highlights of the dmca, insist they uninstall any p2p software, explain how the takedown notice affects them as a Geneseo student (If we receive a second takedown notice on their behalf, they'll meet the Dean of Students who will likely start a process that can only end in suspension or expulsion) and send them on their way. It works for us. I'm not taking the side of the riaa, just sharing my experiences having done this for years now, since the very first one... -Rick Valdis Kletnieks wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:50:42 EDT, David Taylor said:I'm wondering if they are just going by the name of the file without even verifying the contents of the file.One has to wonder if this isn't a Beavis-and-Butthead routine, where one group hired by the RIAA to seed file sharing networks with bogus and corrupt versions of files has managed to plonk a suspiciously named file onto somebody's hard drive, and then the *other* group hired by the RIAA to find violators has found said file... It would fit in with the level of forensic rigor we've seen in the past...
-- Rick Coloccia, Jr. Network Manager, SUNY Geneseo 119 South Hall, 1 College Circle Geneseo, NY 14454 v: 585-245-5577 f: 585-245-5579
Current thread:
- Re: RIAA timestamps off, (continued)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Mike Lococo (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Jeff Holden (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Scholz, Greg (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Jeff Kell (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Jeff Holden (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Steve Worona (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Scholz, Greg (Sep 25)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Alex Everett (Sep 28)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off David Taylor (Sep 29)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Valdis Kletnieks (Sep 29)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Rick Coloccia (Sep 30)
- Re: RIAA timestamps off Ken Connelly (Sep 30)