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Re: "When you shoot at the king, you best not miss."


From: Mara Tam <marasawr () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:59:28 -0400

Leaving aside problems with assuming that this is definitely state-sponsored, it is worth reading through the 
Information Security Doctrine of the Russian Federation.[1] N.B. This has been in place since 2000, and is due to be 
updated shortly. 

This Diplomaatia piece surveys the substance of likely changes as well as the motivations driving them.[2] There have 
been interim update of sorts in changes to the military doctrine from 2010,[3] and from 2014.[4] But, lest one be 
tempted to shout ‘Ah-HA!’, the US and Russia have been working fitfully towards something like the Sino-American and 
Sino-Russian non-aggression pacts for ICT since 2013. If Guccifer 2.0 is a proxy acting at the direction of the Russian 
state, then Russia has been caught violating a core tenet of their own ICT security doctrine (i.e. interfering in the 
internal affairs of a foreign power), which would be very extremely not good.[5] 

That said, it is worth keeping in mind that an actor contracted by the state to engage in information warfare may 
contract to non-state clients as well. And here we trip over the fuzzy grey lines separating ‘sponsored’, ‘sanctioned’, 
and ’tolerated'. Attribution is hard.

-mara
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[1] 
http://archive.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-osndoc.nsf/1e5f0de28fe77fdcc32575d900298676/2deaa9ee15ddd24bc32575d9002c442b!OpenDocument
[2] http://www.diplomaatia.ee/en/article/venemaa-foderatsiooni-soovid-it-valdkonna-reguleerimisel/
[3] https://globalvoices.org/2010/02/23/russian-military-doctrine/
[4] Mostly the same as 2010, some additional language specific to the information space in conflict. 
https://www.offiziere.ch/wp-content/uploads-001/2015/08/Russia-s-2014-Military-Doctrine.pdf
[5] For the purposes of this thought experiment, Georgia, Crimea, Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Donetsk are not ‘foreign’. 




On 16 Jun 2016, at 11:26, dave aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:

So I want to point out some things about this really weird DNC Hack. The only example I can think of where a 
nation-state hacked someone and then released the documents under a cover-account is North Korea and Sony Pictures 
Entertainment. I can see examples of other smaller services (Iran, etc.) doing this as well. North Korea, to be fair, 
doesn't have a lot to lose, so acting like this can make sense and probably showed some teeth at an important time.
But Russia is a whole different kind of service! They have important connections to the United States, and having the 
first thing Hillary thinks if she wins the Presidency be "Let's get back at Russia for trying to take my campaign 
out" seems like a cost-benefit equation that would preclude this kind of action.

Are there other examples of Russian intelligence doing this sort of thing? Is this a change from the norm? Surely 
this isn't what Russia wants the new norm to be, right?

-dave

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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
Now THIS is a really interesting development in #DncHack: @Gawker has & is publishing the DNC's Trump oppo research

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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
This is a big development, because it means whoever did #DncHack to get Trump oppo file was doing it (bear with me) 
in *support* of Trump.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
How does this help Trump, you ask? It's a full dump. Trump gets lots of bad news today, but DNC loses ability to use 
contents strategically.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
A few observations about this op
1) Another data point in Russian SIGINT strategically leaking stolen data to push a particular narrative.

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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
2) This para. V. bad for DNC if those are classification markings (but could be campaign "doc is sensitive" bluster)
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
3) Gosh, I wonder what outlet Russian intelligence is going to use to launder these stolen documents.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  18h18 hours ago
4) If you want to peruse the Trump oppo research directly, here's the PDF: 
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2861555/1.pdf …
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  17h17 hours ago
5) Site apparently set up by the group that hacked DNC https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/ 
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  17h17 hours ago
6) This is all of the text from the hacker's post, in case website gets taken down. Check out the broken English.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  17h17 hours ago
7) Uh oh. This is an unfortunate document for Russia to stolen from under the noses of the DNC.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  17h17 hours ago
8) Lol. Russian #opsec fail.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  17h17 hours ago
9) Better #opsec in the "NatSec & Foreign Policy" doc. Attackers using VMs to open some (but clearly not all) docs
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  17h17 hours ago
10) Files from Russian Intelligence Agencies can contain viruses. It's safer to stay in Protected View
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  16h16 hours ago
11) Document #5 leaks via tracked changes (thx @TheCyberSecExp) but it's not very interesting, and likely not hacker
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  16h16 hours ago
Pwn All The Things Retweeted Peter Johnson
12) To clarify: leak is the RU-lang settings, not name (cover name references "Iron Felix" 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky …)
Pwn All The Things added,
Peter Johnson @alcebaid
@pwnallthethings Felix is really a pseudo
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  16h16 hours ago
Pwn All The Things Retweeted (((davi - 德海)))
13) Another #opsec fail. (This happened because they did an Export as PDF, and then later saved, w/ lang set to RU)
Pwn All The Things added,
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(((davi - 德海))) @daviottenheimer
@pwnallthethings "error! invalid hyperlinks" in Russian... 
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  16h16 hours ago
14) Tldr: this "lone hacker" uses many VMs, speaks Russian; username is founder of USSR secret police & likes 
laundering docs via Wikileaks.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  16h16 hours ago
15) Spot the difference: Left: doc sent to Gawker (page 210). On right, same page in https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/ 
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  15h15 hours ago
16) Tangentially related: "VantageUploader" is the tool DNC use to share vids. JWT arg leaks author email in base64.
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  15h15 hours ago
17) Final piece of metadata: Creation date and software used to turn DOC into the Gawker PDF (note: could be journo)
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  15h15 hours ago
18) Metadata from the various docs
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      • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  15h15 hours ago
Pwn All The Things Retweeted Florian Wagner
19) @_fl01 points out "Grizli777" indicates that pirated Office (2007) was used by the hacker.
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Florian Wagner @_fl01
@_fl01 @pwnallthethings Get it now ;) »Grizli777«'s cracked MS Office seems 2b popular among Russians and Romanians. 
              • Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  14h14 hours ago
20) Extra data-point: Author on The Smoking Gun's PDF is different again. (good chance this is TSG's journo)
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              • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  3h3 hours ago
21) Missed this yesterday, but the hacker contacted TSG (and probably Gawker) via a GMZ.us (anoymous) email addr
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              • <0bc84c66d3048178cd4d1361f34aa224_bigger.jpeg>Pwn All The Things ‏@pwnallthethings  2h2 hours ago
Pwn All The Things Retweeted CrowdStrike
22) A weak data point, but @CrowdStrike also says Guccifer2.0 doesn't change their attribution of #DncHack to Russia
Pwn All The Things added,
CrowdStrike @CrowdStrike
New hacker claims credit for DNC hack. CrowdStrike fully stands by attribution to Russian government 
https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ …
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