Re: Line Dancing.

["Halvar Flake" <HalVar () gmx de>]

Hey all,

while "everything is on the table", the most frightening prospect for the other side may be leaning on
some friendly countries to help lower the oil price to below 70 USD per barrel for a while. And forcing your opponent
to fall back onto pre-80's technology is a less scary threat when the opponent's technology is from the late 70's 
anyhow.

Alternatively, it is entirely possible to exhume a few experts that help write payloads for K-1820's.

Cheers,
Halvar 
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 05. März 2014 um 10:25 Uhr
Von: "Dave Aitel" <dave () immunityinc com>
An: dailydave <dailydave () lists immunityinc com>
Betreff: [Dailydave] Line Dancing.

One thing I like about Crimea is that if you squint hard enough, you can see the cyber battle and it's a battle of 
restraint.

To wit: a while back the Syrian Electronic Army tweeted about messing with the SCADA systems for a power system. Doing 
this sort of thing kills innocent people, and the US has drawn a line there that says "If you go there, very bad things 
will happen to you, possibly we will just let the Isrealis kill you one by one with magnetic bombs, but more likely it 
will be something worse." (SEA members live in Tehran, not Damascus). Nobody has come out in public and said that 
messing with things that could potentially kill innocent people is "the line", but it's there and all the teams know it.

In other words, while the US isn't going to roll tanks into the Crimea, there is a weapon system that the US can deploy 
against Russia. Even damaged by Snowden, the Russians are massively, catastrophically outmatched at cyber and getting 
MORE outmatched over time, and they know it. At some point Utah will come online and the Russians have nothing to match 
it. And of course there is future payoffs from quantum computing research, which, even if everyone has the same 
fundamentals will require "hegemony-sized" levels of investment to implement. And everyone doesn't have the same 
fundamentals, to put it shortly.

Keep in mind that Obama is, for better or worse, the cyber war President. When he threatens your economy, when he says 
that "everything is on the table", he doesn't just mean sanctions.

-dave
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