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Re: 2013 - A New Hope
From: Katie M <k8ek8e () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:08:04 -0800
We, with our background in attacks/offense, who have taken on the mission to defend, have embedded ourselves inside these corporations for years to essentially "backdoor" more meaningful security improvements into them. Over these years, we have been buffeted from both sides by our offense-oriented brethren and by the often conservative organizations who pay our salaries, as we raged against the corporate machine. This year, as the content chair of BlueHat, I took a risk by inviting open conversation about the fact that trust itself is under attack. For the technology giants to survive and remain as strong as they have traditionally been, they must unite against those who undermine that trust. This is why I was able to invite an engineer from a competitor mega corporation to close the conference with a talk about designing products and services that are resistant to abuse and surveillance. Corporations may be powerful now, but that power is dependent upon people being willing to buy or use the products and services they build. No green can grow out of rocky terrain when the soil of trust has been eroded. To me, with my chosen mission of defense, the adversary is not important. Those of us embedded in these companies use our influence as individuals to turn the giant ships, sometimes setting course straight for the eye of the storm. I've been Leia for a long time, devising strategies that turn the ship on which I sail towards thwarting common adversaries, calling upon my collective Obi Wan Kenobi's to band together for defense. Here is a blog I wrote back in 2008, when life seemed simpler (but we all knew it wasn't as simple as it appeared): http://blogs.technet.com/b/bluehat/archive/2008/08/07/threats-in-a-blender-and-other-raisons-d-tre.aspx. And here is the blog I wrote a couple of weeks ago, where the last two paragraphs discuss engaging across borders, across company lines, to help defend the users, no matter the adversary: http://blogs.technet.com/b/bluehat/archive/2013/12/06/bluehat-v13-is-coming.aspx. While I cannot predict what will happen in 2014 or beyond, if we set our united course to meet the adversaries, whomever they may be, we can only be struck down temporarily - before we rise up more powerful than you can possibly imagine. The Force is strong in all of you, friend and foe - many of you are both. Those who know me know my profound respect for both sides of The Force. So Merry Christmas, crank up that rebel music: http://youtu.be/yv9XZI3zwF4. And Happy New Year, May The Force be with you all. Katie Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Dominique Brezinski <dominique.brezinski () gmail com> Sent: 12/24/2013 8:30 AM To: Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com> Cc: dailydave <dailydave () lists immunityinc com> Subject: Re: [Dailydave] 2013 - A New Hope I think you just highlighted the catalyst for a truly Gibson-esque future where the power of corporations greatly supersedes governments. When corporations are forced to turn their resources and innovation towards defending against governments, their agility and cross-border capability will play to their advantage. Taxation is an example on the finance side. We will see how it plays out on the information side. Dom On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:
2013 - A New Hope So I hesitate to make predictions, but I think it's important to at some level acknowledge that 2013 was a huge year for information security. A few things happened... : o The rebirth of managed security services. When you don't care about bringing hackers to court, but you DO care about the security of your IP, you start to evolve a very different fabric on your network and you need a completely different specialist set of skills. Managed Security Services used to be the haven of total technical wash-outs, with IDS monkeys watching screens for alerts nobody cared about. This has changed, and I think the watershed moment was February 2013, with Mandiant releasing their APT1 report<https://www.mandiant.com/blog/mandiant-exposes-apt1-chinas-cyber-espionage-units-releases-3000-indicators/>. We are moving to a much more highly skilled, and expensive, version of managed security services, with Mandiant, Crowdstrike, Terremark, and others all competing with similar technologies and methodologies and price points. This is the pendulum swinging away from offense a bit more, assuming people can afford these services (which is not at all a given). o The Snowden Event Look, there's very little in the "revelations" Snowden has talked about that wasn't already highly visible to industry insiders: What can be done, is being done. And everyone who says Cyber is a asymmetric warfare should be eating their words now, since you cannot believe the US Intel Community has succeeded to the level they have in this space and think it was a game for small players anymore. My USENIX talk from 2011<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ULFP4CgQU>pointed out much of what has come out. The most obvious angle on the story is the growing push-back from corporations. Google building certificate pinning into Chrome by default hurts not just Iran, but also all the allied governments Google calls home, who are just as happy about how the global PKI system SSL depends on bends to their whims. The corporations have been taking huge unbalanced risks on behalf of their governments, and these chickens are coming home to roost. Or, to be more specific, vultures, as Huawei demonstrated<http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/03/everyone-hates-huawei-ceo-says-company-is-giving-up-on-the-us/>by being thrown out of the largest market for IT gear in the world. But it's exactly that horrifying prospect that scares Facebook and Google and every other big US IT company into taking a hard line with the USG, and no doubt, with one eye on Cisco's revenue sheet <http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/13/us-cisco-results-idUSBRE9AC16F20131113> . To quote from today's Washington Post article:<http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html> """ Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith took to his company’s blog and called the NSA an “advanced persistent threat<http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/12/04/protecting-customer-data-from-government-snooping.aspx>” — the worst of all fighting words in U.S. cybersecurity circles, generally reserved for Chinese state-sponsored hackers and sophisticated criminal enterprises. """ What should scare administration officials is that when you talk to big financials in NY, they feel the exact same way. In my discussions, they are now MORE invested in securing themselves against the US Government than the Chinese government! It is safe to say these battle lines have yet to be completely redrawn, and when they do the Chinese and US governments will be on the same side, with Chinese and US corporations allied against them. And we will then officially exit the "Golden age of SIGINT" and enter the scrappy Bronze Age of Targeted Access. o The rise of Bitcoin The financials (and business in general) are extremely excited about the useful shared delusion that is Bitcoin. Nobody knows how this pans out, but it doesn't necessarily pan out well for groups whose root of power is controlling the flow of commerce<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/business/international/china-bars-banks-from-using-bitcoin.html?_r=0>. o The cementing of Leaks as cyberweapons Every reporter I talk to now who is starting a new venture has a foundational element of "some place people can send me leaked documents". The concept of leaking things into the public eye as a cyber-weapon has gone from "Assange is a crazy loon" to "This is how things get done" in a fairly rapid space. It's easy to forget that the whole reason he started WikiLeaks was that he believed that you could forever change how government works by draining the ocean of secrecy they live in (and of course, to get babes). The Russian and Chinese and Iranians and so forth are snarkily reveling in how the USG is painfully handling the leaks, but of course, their turn is coming, and they are far more vulnerable. Conclusion: So to sum up, 2013 was a year governments (and in particular the USG) found their influence sharply contracting, with budget cuts, shutdowns, and philosophical pressure on all sides. I, with the rest of the hacker community, look forward to 2014, when the empire can strike back. -dave P.S. MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEARS TO ALL DD LIST READERS! _______________________________________________ Dailydave mailing list Dailydave () lists immunityinc com https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave
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