Re: SecurID White Paper - A Comment

[vin () shore net (Vin McLellan)]

        mudge, quite disrespectfully, wrote:

> 1 - Who the hell is LHT Industries?
>    Brian Oblivion, Weld Pond, Tan, King Kingpin, Space Rogue,
>    Stefan (whom you didn't mention), and I are the 7 members of l0pht. I
>    do know the names of the other people you mention as they all have
>    accounts on the l0pht machine - that's about it.

        Mea culpa.  Fast fingers; late night; tired mind.  I meant to write
"LHI Technologies."  I read the reference to "LHI Technologies" -- in the
copyright notice at the bottom of each page of the <http://L0pht.com>
website -- as an alternative designation for "L0pht Heavy Industries." The
names I listed are described as the "inhabitants" of  L0pht Heavy
Industries:
"Part workshop, part playhouse. Rave center for the socially disinclined.
Last vestige of the smart sleepless. A place for extra storage. The L0pht,
man. It's got it all. "

> 2 - We were not thanked or mentioned in the white paper you refer to.
>    The only one that you list that I saw thanked in the paper was
>    Hobbit. [yes we are a bit chagrined as it's obvious that some of
>    our ideas were in the paper]

        In the Postscript text I picked up, PeiterZ's first credit is a
statement of gratitude to "LHI Technologies," who were said to have been
"invaluable in their analysis of the hardware token cards."  My apologies
all around if that was not a reference to mudge and his collegues at the
L0pht -- but it sure sounded like PeiterZ of SNI was giving credit where I
knew credit was due.  (That's why I didn't understand Peiter's outrage when
I credited the key ideas in his White Paper to various "elite hackers."
I'd already heard them from mudge and others.)

>        3 - We, the l0pht, have no affiliation with SNI (those are the people
>    who put out the paper). Asa matter of fact we have no affiliation
>    whith any company that has money. Sad but true - we foot everything
>    out of our own pockets and little doo-dads that we manage to sell
>    to defray our costs. Simply because we love hacking (in the old sense
> :-)

        A little bewildered,
                                                _Vin

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