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Re: Home wireless free hotspot
From: Jay Vlavianos <jvlavianos () ecastnetwork com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:09:36 -0700
If you look at the RIAA/MPAA lawsuits that eventually boiled down to an open access point - those people got off (mostly) but they had to sustain huge expensive court battles and the burden of proof was on them to prove that it wasn't their activity but an unknown user of their access point. That was music and movies - child porn is a whole different topic and I doubt the authorities are willing to entertain the "it wasn't me" argument. Since most law enforcement or D.A.'s know very little about how the Internet works - it is almost impossible to have them believe that even though it looked like you, smelled like you and sounded like you (your IP, your equipment, your Internet billing account) it wasn't you. Your ISP will give you up in a second -the last telco I worked for would treat lawfirm issued letters (C&D, request for IP or customer record, etc) the same as a court issued subpoena, request for evidence or DCMA. Legal advice aside - if you resubnet another router behind your network and only offer one route (egress to the cloud) your probably OK but your safety is only as good as your device security. If you can control the management interface of that router from your personal subnet and obscure it from the community segment, your probably OK. Are you planning on trying to manage QoS or are you just hoping they don't seed a bunch of torrents and run a tor exit node? ;) -Jay On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:36 AM, "John Lightfoot" <jlightfoot () gmail com> wrote:
A fair question, although there are many towns and airports that offer free Internet access so presumably there's a way to get around the problem of liability for illegal activity. The ISP service agreement question is also fair, and I'll have to do some research as to what's allowed by my agreement. But I won't be advertising the service or encouraging it, just not minding if someone "borrows" it. I don't see it as significantly different than someone who hooks a Linksys router to his/her cable modem connection and doesn't change the default settings. -----Original Message----- From: Dimyan, Michael [mailto:Michael.Dimyan () timewarner com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:14 PM To: 'John Lightfoot'; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Home wireless free hotspot Aside from the possibility that sharing your internet connection may be a violation of your ISP service agreement, the question I would ask is if you'd be liable for any potentially illegal activity that may take place on your connection. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of John Lightfoot Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:11 PM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Home wireless free hotspot Hello, I have a home wireless network that I'd like to make available to neighbors who need to borrow a connection from time to time. Consider it karmic repayment for the times I've had to borrow someone else's open connection. Of course, I'd like to do it securely, so I'm looking for some advice. My main network has a wireless router connected to the Internet, with a few wired connections to my home computers. The main router's wireless network is protected by WPA, access control via MAC address, etc. My thought is I would attach a second wireless router (Netgear) to a port off the main router and leave it unsecured, using a second subnet, and block any routing between the two subnets, other than straight out to the Internet, but I'm not sure the best way to do that. So, a few questions: If I set up a second router with a subnet "subservient" to my main router, presumably it has to get an IP address within the address space of the main network, but how can I limit access to that network to only my Internet interface? Would it make more sense for my secure network to be subservient to the main network, i.e. open up the main network and secure a secondary subnet off it? I also have a Secure Computing SG 300 Firewall/VPN appliance, could I configure that help keep the networks separate and my home network secure? It's got a lot of nice features, but I'm not sure it would help make my configuration more secure. This may be a very bad idea, so I'd also be happy to hear why that's so if it's true. Thanks for any advice. John Lightfoot --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Securing Apache Web Server with thawte Digital Certificate In this guide we examine the importance of Apache-SSL and who needs an SSL certificate. We look at how SSL works, how it benefits your company and how your customers can tell if a site is secure. You will find out how to test, purchase, install and use a thawte Digital Certificate on your Apache web server. 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