RE: Home wireless free hotspot

[Reginald Wheeler <wheeler90 () comcast net>]

Lol... and SMH... It would turn out the same way it would if your were
in a Barnes and Noble in GA and did the same damn thing.  I wouldn't be
held responsible.  How do you think your phone service provider avoids
prosecution when some one gets caught doing something stupid while using
the service.  Terms of Use agreements save a lot of service providers
from very painful and expensive legal  and/or civil actions against
them.  This is per my lawyer.  As told to me it's kinda like the gun
industry.  The manufacture makes the guns and they are bought by
dealers.  The dealers then sell them to the end user.  None of them are
responsible for what is done with the gun once the end user agrees that
he will follow the letter of the law concerning the weapon that he/she
just purchased.  So if that end user shots someone the Dealer nor the
manufacture are responsible.  This same principle holds for service
providers that provide a service.  We are not responsible for the
illegal actions of a third party.    Hope this helps you to better
understand why I advised in the direction that I did.

Thank You,
Reginald Wheeler, Owner
A+, Networking+, MCSE 2003
1907 Hampton Dr.
Sandy Springs, GA 30350
Ph:678.615.2997
wheeler90 () comcast net



-----Original Message-----
From: JayZee <octopush () gmail com>
To: wheeler90 () comcast net
Cc: martinez85 () att blackberry net, jlightfoot () gmail com,
listbounce () securityfocus com, security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Home wireless free hotspot
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:18:35 -0700

Sounds like an easy escape clause in general  - we all should probably
have one of those regardless of having an open AP or not.   Good for
White/Black/Grey hats alike.


Lets run an experiment!?  You sign a "terms of use", open your AP and
then we will get some local guys from 4Chan (those guys are up for
anything!) down there in GA to run their script kiddy/pedobear/other
"unmentionables" from your open AP for a while and lets see how that all
turns out?


An empirical test of this amazing loophole in paramilitary raids! 


-Jay


________________________________________
From: Reginald Wheeler [wheeler90 () comcast net]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 3:18 AM
To: Jay Vlavianos
Cc: martinez85 () att blackberry net; John Lightfoot;
listbounce () securityfocus com; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Home wireless free hotspot


Now I spoke to a lawyer shortly after all this started to with this
string.  I was advised that all is needed is a terms of use. Thanks
guys.


Thank You,
Reginald Wheeler, Owner
A+, Networking+, MCSE 2003
1907 Hampton Dr.
Sandy Springs, GA 30350
Ph:678.615.2997
wheeler90 () comcast net






-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Vlavianos <jvlavianos () ecastnetwork com>
To: 'wheeler90 () comcast net' <wheeler90 () comcast net>
Cc: martinez85 () att blackberry net <martinez85 () att blackberry net>, John
Lightfoot <jlightfoot () gmail com>, listbounce () securityfocus com
<listbounce () securityfocus com>, security-basics () securityfocus com
<security-basics () securityfocus com>
Subject: RE: Home wireless free hotspot
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:02:53 -0700


Um.... opening his wireless access point allows people to run a tor exit
node on their own... does it not?  As well as seeding torrents?  As well
as hosting warez?   As well as running a dyndns'd porn server?   As well
as hacking NSA servers?  As well as making all of your other neighbors
zombie DDOS robots?


He doesn't have to run the exit node himself, it only has to leave his
pipe for him to get the finger... right?


I think you are missing the _human_ aspect of this.  You are basically
saying


"Yes, you might be arrested and charged with child pornography,
humiliated in the local press and spend all of your life savings in a
court battle... but you WILL ultimately prevail and get your gear back
with an apology in the local news TV program so why not do it - THERE IS
NO CASE LAW!!! WOO HOO!!!"


Sounds a little stupid in that context doesn't it?  Does to me at least.








-----Original Message-----
From: Reginald Wheeler [mailto:wheeler90 () comcast net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:34 PM
To: Jay Vlavianos
Cc: martinez85 () att blackberry net; John Lightfoot;
listbounce () securityfocus  com; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Home wireless free hotspot


Dude the guy is not asking if it is safe to operate a freaking tor proxy
server.  He is asking if he set up something like what you would get if
you were to go to a freaking coffee shop.  Stop telling the guy he can't
do it.  Tell him the risk involved and tell him the best way to mitigate
those risk.  I know we have a bunch of IT professionals that are on this
mailing list.  The link that is provided talks of operating a proxy site
that can and will violate your ISP terms of use.  Now if you go through
the proper channels you can offer a wifi hotspot as a service.  You have
to speak to your ISP for the details of what you need to do.  So having
said that and now getting pissed with the level of incompetence that
many of my fellow IT professionals are showing I'm left wondering how in
the hell you got your jobs.  Now I am going to give Mr. Lightfoot this
advise please consult an IT professional that is well versed in wireless
networking and security.  This person will also be able to help you with
all of the legalities that you may run into with this project. Now for
everyone else we all have to think before we comment, not misrepresent
ourselves and do our best to leave our personal feelings about things in
our pockets when consulting someone on anything unless they ask for it.


Oh and P.S. a free to use wireless hotspot is not a Tor-Exit-Node.  Tor
meaning the The Onion Router is a piece of software that allows you to
route internet traffic for programs that use the internet through layers
of proxy servers in order to mask your IP address.  This has absolutly
nothing to do with a hotspot that will always carry the IP address that
is issued him from his ISP. So again Jay I have asked you to site case
law that will provide factual evidence that you can as a service
provider be held accountable for the actions that another person has
conducted on a network that has a Terms of use contract that has to be
agreed upon in order to access the network. This does not include the
fact that yes there is the inconvenience of having your equipment seized
for the sake of investigation.  You get it back.  Plus if you have
insurance and you do things the proper way.  You will be able to get a
replacement due to the fact that your now able to let your insurance
company know that your equipment was damaged in a criminal act and your
back in service.


Thank You,
Reginald Wheeler, Owner
A+, Networking+, MCSE 2003
1907 Hampton Dr.
Sandy Springs, GA 30350
Ph:678.615.2997
wheeler90 () comcast net\
Universal Systems Consulting LLC
Simplifying IT






-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Vlavianos <jvlavianos () ecastnetwork com>
To: martinez85 () att blackberry net <martinez85 () att blackberry net>
Cc: John Lightfoot <jlightfoot () gmail com>, listbounce () securityfocus com
<listbounce () securityfocus com>, security-basics () securityfocus com
<security-basics () securityfocus com>
Subject: Re: Home wireless free hotspot
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:30:34 -0700


One only needs to read stories like the one below of a poor Tor exit
node operator to realize that you don't want -anyone- except yourself
on your own net connection.


That is, of course, if you need some excuse for your own activities
("I don't know man, I didn't download any softwarez- but maybe my
neighbor did!).


http://calumog.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/why-you-need-balls-of-steel-to-operate-a-tor-exit-node/






On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:32 AM, "Johnathan"
<martinez85 () att blackberry net> wrote:


> How sweet of you...
>
> Now matter how kind your intentions are, you may want to check the
> terms and conditions of the agreement of the contract you hold with
> your service provider.
>
> You legally may not be allowed to do such a thing you are proposing.
>
> You may be aware of this already, just wanted to put it out there
> for others who may have the same mind set as you.
>
> ----
> Johnathan
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Lightfoot" <jlightfoot () gmail com>
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:10:40
> To: <security-basics () securityfocus com>
> Subject: Home wireless free hotspot
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a home wireless network that I'd like to make available to ne
> ighbors
> who need to borrow a connection from time to time.  Consider it karmic
> repayment for the times I've had to borrow someone else's open
> connection.
> Of course, I'd like to do it securely, so I'm looking for some
> advice.
>
> My main network has a wireless router connected to the Internet,
> with a few
> wired connections to my home computers.  The main router's wireless
> network
> is protected by WPA, access control via MAC address, etc.  My
> thought is I
> would attach a second wireless router (Netgear) to a port off the main
> router and leave it unsecured, using a second subnet, and block any
> routing
> between the two subnets, other than straight out to the Internet,
> but I'm
> not sure the best way to do that.
>
> So, a few questions:
>
> If I set up a second router with a subnet "subservient" to my
> main router,
> presumably it has to get an IP address within the address space of
> the main
> network, but how can I limit access to that network to only my
> Internet
> interface?
>
> Would it make more sense for my secure network to be subservient to
> the main
> network, i.e. open up the main network and secure a secondary subnet
> off it?
>
> I also have a Secure Computing SG 300 Firewall/VPN appliance, could I
> configure that help keep the networks separate and my home network
> secure?
> It's got a lot of nice features, but I'm not sure it would help
> make my
> configuration more secure.
>
> This may be a very bad idea, so I'd also be happy to hear why
> that's so if
> it's true.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
>
> John Lightfoot
>
>
>
>
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