Re: Botnet Hacker Gets Four Years

[Stephen Mullins <steve.mullins.work () gmail com>]

Generally when I get to this point in a debate over sentencing I
usually tell the other party that I'm glad we in America have a whole
system of checks and balances to prevent people with an authoritarian
world view from imposing archaic, tooth-for-a-tooth, style "justice"
upon the rest of us (excepting certain states, you know the ones).  4
years in prison is more than enough to get the point across to a first
time non-violent offender.

Not to sound overly idealistic but, money is easy to replace,
especially in an age of multi-trillion dollar bailouts.  Human life,
on the other hand, is worth more than a few bytes of data on some
server somewhere representing "money."

Steve

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, J. Oquendo <sil () infiltrated net> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009, Jason wrote:
>
> > Robbery at an ATM and bank robbery are violent crimes, that is why you
> > get 2-5 or more. His crimes were not violent. There is a HUGE
> > difference between the two. I wish more people were robbed through the
> > net rather than being stabbed or shot... Losing some money which will
> > subsequently be reimbursed anyway is better than potentially losing
> > your life, IMHO. You can't really compare computer crime to violent
> > offenses.
> >
> > -J
>
> Apparently you're looking at a small picture of the potential
> damage that can occur from cybercrime kiddiot botnet herders.
> While you see it as money that will likely get reimbursed, I
> see it as possibly higher taxes since more botnet idiots will
> mean we'd need more botnet idiot hunters (LEO's) to track
> them. That means higher taxes in the places where there is no
> presence.
>
> What? Is your ISP raising the cost of your connectivity? Could
> be to support the influx of traffic. What? Were you annoyed
> that the transaction you were making timed out, you never got
> the confirmation, yet you were billed for it? No sweat, you
> can go through those motions to have your money reimbursed as
> well.
>
> What? You just found your classmate was once molested and
> abused - and oh my that botnet idiot herder was helping some
> organized crime gang out by shutting down sites for them
> a-la moronic pings of death-and the likes?
>
> While you may think it's a victimless crime it is not. Though
> monies may be reimbursed, there is a cost associated with the
> reimbursements. Might come via way of banks lowering the amount
> of interest you WOULD have gotten with a savings account, or
> perhaps a service charge that wasn't there before. There is no
> such thing as fre money. So while an armed robbery usually
> affects ONE person, or may even a few in the community who
> might be scared to use ATM's, the other ATM's in other areas
> will be fine. However, when Citibank.com goes completely down
> because of moron kiddiots, if you have an account at Citibank
> somewhere down the line you may be affected by it. Even if
> you don't have an account at Citibank, guess who'll be forking
> out higher taxes on the next installation of some antibotnet
> cybercrime task force? You will. Guess who'll be really annoyed
> when that idiot botnet herder allows cybercriminal gangs to
> use his botnet for other things such as fishing, etc., guess
> what happens when that botnet compromises yours and millions
> of others' information.
>
> It is not a "victimless" crime and many need to stop thinking
> about it as such. The last thing I worry about when seeing the
> news and hearing about an armed robbery is my immediate safety
> or finance whereas when I get a whiff of botnet related news I
> stay wondering whether or not my or my family's data is at risk.
> Will be paying higher taxes this year. There is more to this
> issue of botnet idiots than calling someone "a nice kid who
> made a mistake". Some of these guys deserve a harsher sentence
> with examples set on them. He's lucky he got four years he
> deserved more.
>
>
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