RE: an error in the NMAP docs?

["David Gillett" <gillettdavid () fhda edu>]

> If you create with a machine that is protected both inbound 
> and outbound by deny all rules and then add a packet filter 
> rule to allow the machine to act as a DNS server (inbound port 
> 53). If you then scan this machine now by using the 
> "--source_port 53" option, scans won't get through and no other
> services will be exposed.

  Correct but irrelevant.  The NMAP docs refer to a possible way 
to get to DNS *clients*, not DNS servers.

> If you add a client rule so the machine can ftp out (outbound 
> port 20), using the "--source_port 20" option will now allow 
> scans to pass through and will expose all the services the machine 
> has to offer. This is due to the fact that only client service 
> definitions allow access to all ports on the local machine. 
> Server type definitions do not exhibit this behavior as
> described in the preceding paragraph.

  Again, correct but irrelevant.  In order to talk non-PASV FTP,
the *client* needs to be able to receive connections sourced from
the server's port 20.  On some/many networks, this is achieved by
permitting ALL clients to receive connections from ANYBODY's
port 20.  Packets from source port 20 to vulnerable-but-normally-
filtered-port N thus *may* be able to sidestep the filters and
reach the vulnerable clients.
 
> If the above paragraphs are correct, I think the NMAP docs 
> are incorrect as
> they are describing the exploit of a "server type service" 
> rule with the
> line "Many naive firewall and packet filter installations 
> make an exception
> in their rule-set to allow DNS (53) or FTP-DATA (20) packets to come
> through and establish a connection". To me, saying "allow DNS (53) or
> FTP-DATA (20) packets to come  through" implies server 
> services at port 53
> and 20 on the machine.

  And FTP-DATA is normally "served" by the FTP client.  (DNS isn't,
but some networks are configured as if it was -- which is the point.)

> I think the sentence should be written: "Many naive firewall 
> and packet
> filter installations make an exception in their rule-set to 
> allow outbound
> DNS (53) or FTP-DATA (20) packets to pass"... thus making a hole that
> --source_port can exploit.

  But the exception which is the hole refers to allowing inbound packets
if their source port is one of these two magic values....
 
> Mike
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Herz 
> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:05 AM
> > To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> > Subject: an error in the NMAP docs?
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there an error in the NMAP docs? The --source_port section says:
> >
> > "Many naive firewall and packet filter installations make an
> > exception in
> > their rule-set to allow DNS (53) or FTP-DATA (20) packets to  
> > come  through
> > and establish a connection. Obviously this completely 
> > subverts the security
> > advantages of the firewall since intruders can just 
> > masquerade  as FTP or
> > DNS by modifying their source port."
> >
> > This implies that the hole in a packet filtered machine
> > exists if it has
> > allowed inbound DNS or FTP connections. I don't believe this 
> > is true. I
> > think the hole only exists if the machine has allowed 
> > outbound (ie client)
> > connections from the machine. For example if the machine 
> > allowed outbound
> > DNS client requests to the world, using --source_port 53 
> > would exploit the
> > hole.
>
>
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