RE: WIRELESS THEFT

[ONEILL David J <David.J.Oneill () state or us>]

How is using radio waves that are intruding into you purchased property
different than me paying for moving my giant screen tv out into the front yard
and showing the world pay-for-view movies that I purchased.  None.  I paid for
the service, which is using bandwidth on the cable system, and I am not
charging others to watch the movie.  But I am also not preventing other from
watching.

Same with Wireless, if I am the subscriber, then it is my responsibility to
secure the system.  If I do not, I am liable ... not the guy next door that
may not even know where the wireless system is.

If is strange though, the only ones that have a problem with this are people
that have vested interests in getting into the pockets of the innocent - WISPs
and tel com folks.

Things that make you go hummmm.

David J. O'Neill
NEDSS - IS7
Parkway Bldg., 2nd Floor
Phone: (503) 378-2101 ext. 364
FAX:     (503) 378-2102

> > > jay () interl net 10/18/02 02:53PM >>>
I would have to agree with a previous post. Once you use a single bit of
their bandwithto the world, it would be theft of service. If you simply
use the network to play games with the guy next door, no problem.

I work for a WISP, and have run into these issues before. I think what it
comes down to really, is that they can prevent this, either they
dont feel the need, or dont know how.

--
Jay DeSotel
Systems Administrator
InterLink L.C.
<jay () interl net>
Voice-(319)524-2895
Fax-(319)524-3175

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Ashcraft, Brian S (Contractor) wrote:

> Let me just throw my .02 in here.  I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong.
>
> I have to believe that some where along the line, the cable companies End
> User License Agreement is being broken.  They may have worked a deal with
> the local cable company to provide cable to the residents as part of their
> rental agreement.  However, I have to believe that this deal is exclusive to
> them.  Your interception and use of the signal (as a non-resident) may
> infringe on this contract between the two companies.  My guess is,
> technically, you are breaching the EULA of the cable company, which may (or
> may not) open you up to legal troubles.
>
> Then again, I could be wrong :)
>
> Luck,
>
> -b-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johannes Ullrich [mailto:jullrich () euclidian com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Amit P. Gandre; security-basics () securityfocus com 
> Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
>
>
> > Hi
> >  Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
> > theft?
>
> I don't think Congress has caught up with this yet. But from what
> I hear (usual disclaimer: INAL), you are free to pick up the
> signal as long as you are not breaking any WEP or other login
> restriction. Its kind of like CB radio. Everyone can legally listening
> to you chatting on CB radio.
>
>
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