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RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement]
From: "Kayne Ian (Softlab)" <Ian.Kayne () softlab co uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:04:36 +0100
I completely agree with you, there's no question that copyright infringement is a crime in the UK. What makes this ironic is that an American company is sending letters detailing contravention of American law to a person living in the UK. Hold on, didn't America just opt out of the International Criminal Court/Global Arrest Warrant "scheme"? Aww. Shame. Looks like you'll have to go through extradition proceedings instead, which will involve the DCMA being pulled apart in the European Court of Human Rights, notorious for making dodgy decisions. Opinions are my own, etc. Copyright infringement is a crime, etc. Just wanted to make that clear, because we are after all just having a discussion about the subject, and not necessarily participating in it. Ian Kayne Technical Specialist - IT Solutions Softlab Ltd - A BMW Company
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Coombs [mailto:jasonc () science org] Sent: 12 July 2002 20:50 To: Kayne Ian (Softlab) Cc: Vuln-Dev Subject: RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Aloha, Ian. See: http://www.wipo.org The DMCA doesn't apply in the UK, but your government agreed to outlaw precisely the same activity using laws of local design. I don't know what the law is named in your country, but I bet if you look you'll find that it does exist. There was a deadline for passage of such legislation in order to comply with treaty. Your point is valid concerning the specific language of the threat letter your friend received, but that's little more than a typo. Sincerely, Jason Coombs jasonc () science org -----Original Message----- From: Kayne Ian (Softlab) [mailto:Ian.Kayne () softlab co uk] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:28 PM To: Vuln-Dev Subject: RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] 2 points about this thread. First, a lot of people have posted responses to the effect of "Unless xxx downloads the file that is supposedly breaching copyright, they can't tell if you *are* breaching copyright or not, thus breaching it themselves". Unfortunately this isn't true (at least for EDonkey). EDonkey creates a hash of the file on your hd, and compares it with the hashes on everyone elses hd. If you're in the middle of downloading the file, Edonkey can be sure it's resuming the same file from someone else (regardless of filename) by these hashes. Therefore to prove copyright infringment, all these companies need to do is to confirm your hashes are the same hashes as a "real" warezed version of whatever movie. Of course the movie house give the company legal permission to download etc the file, therefore they are not in contravention of copyright law. So all the company does is run a donkeybot or similar, scan the network and log all the people who are sharing a file with hashes that match a warezed ver of the movie. Until it becomes illegal to own a checksum of a file... As a side note, this hashing works against them too. They may have been flooding the p2p networks with "bad" versions of movies, but all any sensible person needs to do is to use a website (sharereactor.com, for example) and use the hash link off there. Providing the website is "true" (and there are enough of them), you'll always be garanteed to download the file you actually want. Secondly, companies & "entities" in the USA really need to get a damn grip of themselves. A friend of mine received an email from a company saying he was breaching the DCMA etc for exactly the same reason as Keith Tyler. The problem? He lives in the UK, just like me. Sorry to tell you, no matter how much you don't want to believe it (and how many times you put a Skylarov in jail) American law does NOT apply worldwide. All that said, piracy is of course a crime. Views are my own. Standard disclaimer applies etc etc. Ian Kayne Technical Specialist - IT Solutions Softlab Ltd - A BMW Company
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- Re: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Mark C. Langston (Jul 11)
- RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Kayne Ian (Softlab) (Jul 12)
- RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Rob Shein (Jul 12)
- Re: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Chris (Jul 15)
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- RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Rob Shein (Jul 12)
- RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Seymour, Keith (Jul 11)
- RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement] Kayne Ian (Softlab) (Jul 15)
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