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Re: Trouble in the Barnyard
From: James Lay <jlay () slave-tothe-box net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:53:24 -0700
Verify barnyard is compiled against mysql with: ldd `which barnyard2` linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007ffe7b9a4000) libmysqlclient.so.18 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmysqlclient.so.18 (0x00007fd8909ca000) libpcap.so.0.8 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcap.so.0.8 (0x00007fd89078c000) libbroccoli.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libbroccoli.so.5 (0x00007fd89056a000) libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007fd890264000) libtcl8.5.so => /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.5.so (0x00007fd88ff47000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007fd88fb82000) libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x00007fd88f969000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007fd88f765000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007fd88f547000) libssl.so.1.0.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007fd88f2e8000) libcrypto.so.1.0.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0x00007fd88ef0c000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fd890f03000) James On 2017-01-16 10:41, Bob Baller wrote:
Thanks again. Yes I run make and sudo make install each time I went back and moved the binary from barnyard2 to barnyard2.bak and then confirmed that it had been renamed. I ran the configuration again exactly as you describe below, then performed the make and sudo make install. I then confirmed that a new binary had been created. Running Barnyard2 resulted in the same error. There were no outright ‘errors’ in the output for ‘sudo make install’ but it repeatedly displays “Nothing to be done for “…” throughout the output. The output is similar for the make command. bob@HP7620 //home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master $ sudo make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src' Making install in sfutil make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/sfutil' make[3]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/sfutil' make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/sfutil' make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/sfutil' Making install in output-plugins make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/output-plugins' make[3]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/output-plugins' make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/output-plugins' make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/output-plugins' Making install in input-plugins make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/input-plugins' make[3]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/input-plugins' make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/input-plugins' make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src/input-plugins' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src' make[3]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src' /bin/mkdir -p '/usr/local/bin' /bin/bash ../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c barnyard2 '/usr/local/bin' libtool: install: /usr/bin/install -c barnyard2 /usr/local/bin/barnyard2 make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src' make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/src' Making install in etc make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/etc' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/etc' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. test -e /usr/local/etc || \ /bin/bash //home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/install-sh -d /usr/local/etc test -e /usr/local/etc/barnyard2.conf || \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 -m 600 ../etc/barnyard2.conf \ /usr/local/etc/barnyard2.conf make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/etc' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/etc' Making install in doc make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/doc' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/doc' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/doc' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/doc' Making install in rpm make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/rpm' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/rpm' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/rpm' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/rpm' Making install in schemas make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/schemas' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/schemas' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/schemas' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/schemas' Making install in m4 make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/m4' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/m4' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/m4' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master/m4' make[1]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master' make[2]: Entering directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master' make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/bob/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master' Then, just to make absolutely sure, I removed the barnyard2 binary and tried rerunning barnyard2 – and it couldn’t find it. So, if the ‘Nothing to be done…’ statements in the sudo make install output are not signs of a problem, Is there something specific I should look for in the config file? Here is the output statement from that file: output database: log, mysql, user=snort password=*********** dbname=snort host=localhost FROM: Noah Dietrich [mailto:noah_dietrich () 86penny org] SENT: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:28 AM TO: Bob Baller CC: snort-users () lists sourceforge net SUBJECT: Re: [Snort-users] Trouble in the Barnyard the output you show from ./configure looks correct (the line that shows "CHECKING FOR MYSQL... YES" is what you're looking for). after you run: ./configure --with-mysql --with-mysql-libraries=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu (note you don't need to run this as sudo), are you running MAKE and then SUDO MAKE INSTALL? I would try moving the current barnyard2 binary (navigate to the banryard2 folder, then run SUDO MV BARNYARD2 BARNYARD2.BAK) to ensure you're working with the newly compiled barnyard2, and try these steps to configure, compile, and install barnyard2: cd ~/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master ./configure --with-mysql --with-mysql-libraries=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu make sudo make install ensure there are no errors during the MAKE stage or the SUDO MAKE INSTALL stage. When done with these steps, you should be able to run barnyard2. if it doesn't run, then there is an issue with your configuration / build. Noah On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Bob Baller <bobballer () q com> wrote: I’ve been attempting to install Barnyard2 for a while and seem to be stuck. I’ve tried to research the problem but haven’t found a solution, although the problem seems to have been reported on a number of different sites including this one. The problem is that I get the following error when I attempt to run Barnyard2: ‘ERROR DATABASE: 'MYSQL' SUPPORT IS NOT COMPILED INTO THIS BUILD OF BARNYARD2’ The info below provides more on what I have done, and the results of some of the commands. As indicated, I’ve tried numerous variations on the configuration of Barnyard2 and nothing seems to work up to this point. Snort however appears to be working fine and is able to write data to the U2 files. Snort works fine and writes data to the u2 file. MySQL appears to be set up correctly however Barnyard fails as soon as I run it, each time with the same error. I am working with the following: · Linux Mint ver 18 32bit · MySql ver 5.7.16-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 · Snort ver 2.9.7.0-5 · Barnyard2 ver 2.1.14 Build 339 Hopefully someone can see something in the information below that would make sense. I would appreciate any help. Below is the output from my attempt to run Barnyard2 bob@HP7620 ~/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master $ sudo barnyard2 -c /etc/snort/barnyard2.conf -d /var/log/snort -f snort.u2 -w /var/log/snort/barnyard2.waldo -g snort -u snort Running in Continuous mode --== Initializing Barnyard2 ==-- Initializing Input Plugins! Initializing Output Plugins! Parsing config file "/etc/snort/barnyard2.conf" +[ Signature Suppress list ]+ ---------------------------- +[No entry in Signature Suppress List]+ ---------------------------- +[ Signature Suppress list ]+ Barnyard2 spooler: Event cache size set to [2048] Log directory = /var/log/barnyard2 ERROR database: 'mysql' support is not compiled into this build of barnyard2 ERROR: If this build of barnyard2 was obtained as a binary distribution (e.g., rpm, or Windows), then check for alternate builds that contains the necessary 'mysql' support. If this build of barnyard2 was compiled by you, then re-run the the ./configure script using the '--with-mysql' switch. For non-standard installations of a database, the '--with-mysql=DIR' syntax may need to be used to specify the base directory of the DB install. See the database documentation for cursory details (doc/README.database). and the URL to the most recent database plugin documentation. Fatal Error, Quitting.. Barnyard2 exiting =============================================================================== Record Totals: Records: 0 Events: 0 (0.000%) Packets: 0 (0.000%) Unknown: 0 (0.000%) Suppressed: 0 (0.000%) =============================================================================== Packet breakdown by protocol (includes rebuilt packets): ETH: 0 (0.000%) ETHdisc: 0 (0.000%) VLAN: 0 (0.000%) IPV6: 0 (0.000%) IP6 EXT: 0 (0.000%) IP6opts: 0 (0.000%) IP6disc: 0 (0.000%) IP4: 0 (0.000%) IP4disc: 0 (0.000%) TCP 6: 0 (0.000%) UDP 6: 0 (0.000%) ICMP6: 0 (0.000%) ICMP-IP: 0 (0.000%) TCP: 0 (0.000%) UDP: 0 (0.000%) ICMP: 0 (0.000%) TCPdisc: 0 (0.000%) UDPdisc: 0 (0.000%) ICMPdis: 0 (0.000%) FRAG: 0 (0.000%) FRAG 6: 0 (0.000%) ARP: 0 (0.000%) EAPOL: 0 (0.000%) ETHLOOP: 0 (0.000%) IPX: 0 (0.000%) OTHER: 0 (0.000%) DISCARD: 0 (0.000%) InvChkSum: 0 (0.000%) S5 G 1: 0 (0.000%) S5 G 2: 0 (0.000%) Total: 0 =============================================================================== Below is the output from running the configure command. I have tried this using it as shown below as well as using it with the following '--with-mysql' commands: ('--with-mysql=/usr/'; '--with-mysql=/var/lib/mysql' ; '--with-mysql=/usr/lib/mysql/plugin' and '--with-mysql:/usr/share/mysql/) bob@HP7620 ~/Downloads/Barnyard2/barnyard2-master $ sudo ./configure --with-mysql --with-mysql-libraries=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking how to print strings... printf checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking for suffix of executables... checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... yes checking dependency style of gcc... none checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E checking for fgrep... /bin/grep -F checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)... /usr/bin/nm -B checking the name lister (/usr/bin/nm -B) interface... BSD nm checking whether ln -s works... yes checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 1572864 checking how to convert i686-pc-linux-gnu file names to i686-pc-linux-gnu format... func_convert_file_noop checking how to convert i686-pc-linux-gnu file names to toolchain format... func_convert_file_noop checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for objdump... objdump checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all checking for dlltool... no checking how to associate runtime and link libraries... printf %s\n checking for ar... ar checking for archiver @FILE support... @ checking for strip... strip checking for ranlib... ranlib checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok checking for sysroot... no checking for a working dd... /bin/dd checking how to truncate binary pipes... /bin/dd bs=4096 count=1 checking for mt... mt checking if mt is a manifest tool... no checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for objdir... .libs checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC -DPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... (cached) yes checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no checking for gcc option to accept ISO C99... none needed checking for gcc option to accept ISO Standard C... (cached) none needed checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... (cached) yes checking dependency style of gcc... (cached) none checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... no checking for bison... bison checking for flex... flex checking for strings.h... (cached) yes checking for string.h... (cached) yes checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes checking sys/sockio.h usability... no checking sys/sockio.h presence... no checking for sys/sockio.h... no checking paths.h usability... yes checking paths.h presence... yes checking for paths.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes checking wchar.h usability... yes checking wchar.h presence... yes checking for wchar.h... yes checking math.h usability... yes checking math.h presence... yes checking for math.h... yes checking for floor in -lm... yes checking for ceil in -lm... yes checking for inet_ntoa in -lnsl... yes checking for socket in -lsocket... no checking whether printf must be declared... no checking whether fprintf must be declared... no checking whether syslog must be declared... no checking whether puts must be declared... no checking whether fputs must be declared... no checking whether fputc must be declared... no checking whether fopen must be declared... no checking whether fclose must be declared... no checking whether fwrite must be declared... no checking whether fflush must be declared... no checking whether getopt must be declared... no checking whether bzero must be declared... no checking whether bcopy must be declared... no checking whether memset must be declared... no checking whether strtol must be declared... no checking whether strcasecmp must be declared... no checking whether strncasecmp must be declared... no checking whether strerror must be declared... no checking whether perror must be declared... no checking whether socket must be declared... no checking whether sendto must be declared... no checking whether vsnprintf must be declared... no checking whether snprintf must be declared... no checking whether strtoul must be declared... no checking for snprintf... yes checking for strlcpy... no checking for strlcat... no checking for strerror... yes checking for vswprintf... yes checking for wprintf... yes checking size of char... 1 checking size of short... 2 checking size of int... 4 checking size of long int... 4 checking size of long long int... 8 checking size of unsigned int... 4 checking size of unsigned long int... 4 checking size of unsigned long long int... 8 checking for u_int8_t... yes checking for u_int16_t... yes checking for u_int32_t... yes checking for u_int64_t... yes checking for uint8_t... yes checking for uint16_t... yes checking for uint32_t... yes checking for uint64_t... yes checking for int8_t... yes checking for int16_t... yes checking for int32_t... yes checking for int64_t... yes checking for INADDR_NONE... yes checking for __FUNCTION__... yes checking pcap.h usability... yes checking pcap.h presence... yes checking for pcap.h... yes checking for pcap_datalink in -lpcap... yes checking for sparc... no checking for mysql... yes checking for compress in -lz... yes checking for mysql default client reconnect... no checking for mysql reconnect option... yes checking for mysql setting of reconnect option before connect bug... no checking for linuxthreads... no checking that generated files are newer than configure... done configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating src/Makefile config.status: creating src/sfutil/Makefile config.status: creating src/input-plugins/Makefile config.status: creating src/output-plugins/Makefile config.status: creating etc/Makefile config.status: creating doc/Makefile config.status: creating rpm/Makefile config.status: creating schemas/Makefile config.status: creating m4/Makefile config.status: creating config.h config.status: config.h is unchanged config.status: executing depfiles commands config.status: executing libtool commands Below is is info from MySql showing the tables and variables from the snort database: mysql> use snort Reading table information for completion of table and column names You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A Database changed mysql> SHOW TABLES; +------------------+ | Tables_in_snort | +------------------+ | data | | detail | | encoding | | event | | icmphdr | | iphdr | | opt | | reference | | reference_system | | schema | | sensor | | sig_class | | sig_reference | | signature | | tcphdr | | udphdr | +------------------+ 16 rows in set (0.00 sec) mysql> SHOW VARIABLES WHERE Variable_Name LIKE "%dir"; +---------------------------+----------------------------+ | Variable_name | Value | +---------------------------+----------------------------+ | basedir | /usr/ | | character_sets_dir | /usr/share/mysql/charsets/ | | datadir | /var/lib/mysql/ | | innodb_data_home_dir | | | innodb_log_group_home_dir | ./ | | innodb_tmpdir | | | lc_messages_dir | /usr/share/mysql/ | | plugin_dir | /usr/lib/mysql/plugin/ | | slave_load_tmpdir | /tmp | | tmpdir | /tmp | +---------------------------+----------------------------+ 10 rows in set (0.06 sec) The image below is a screenshot showing the Snort.u2 logs contain data. The text below is from the Barnyard2.conf file showing that the output database has been configured Examples: # output database: log, mysql, user=root password=test dbname=db host=localhost # output database: alert, postgresql, user=snort dbname=snort # output database: log, odbc, user=snort dbname=snort # output database: log, mssql, dbname=snort user=snort password=test # output database: log, oracle, dbname=snort user=snort password=test # output database: log, mysql, user=snort password=*********** dbname=snort host=localhost Below is the listing from /var/lib/mysql:This shows that the snort DB hasn't been accessed since Jan 2 (prior to my attempts to setup Barnyard2. HP7620 mysql # dir -l total 122912 -rw-r----- 1 mysql mysql 56 Dec 25 23:05 auto.cnf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 25 23:05 debian-5.7.flag -rw-r----- 1 mysql mysql 302 Jan 2 14:43 ib_buffer_pool -rw-r----- 1 mysql mysql 12582912 Jan 2 21:48 ibdata1 -rw-r----- 1 mysql mysql 50331648 Jan 2 21:48 ib_logfile0 -rw-r----- 1 mysql mysql 50331648 Dec 25 23:05 ib_logfile1 -rw-r----- 1 mysql mysql 12582912 Jan 2 14:45 ibtmp1 drwxr-x--- 2 mysql mysql 4096 Dec 25 23:05 mysql drwxr-x--- 2 mysql mysql 4096 Dec 25 23:05 performance_schema drwxr-x--- 2 mysql mysql 4096 Jan 2 21:48 snort drwxr-x--- 2 mysql mysql 12288 Dec 25 23:05 sys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. 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