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RE: Mpack
From: "Matt Steer" <Matt.Steer () marstons co uk>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:11:02 +0100
Erin and List, In my opinion a comprehensive Pen test is seen from the eyes of an attacker and I cannot see a reason for an attacker to consider the ethicality of launching an attack from a tool, be it MPack, Metasploit or any other program that could be used with malicious intent. I have not conducted any professional pen tests so please, people with the experience speak up! I thought the whole idea I would be employed to conduct a Pen test would be to disclose information on the clients network(s) through the eyes of a person, or a piece of code, with malicious intent and, should it be required, information on how to patch any vulnerability I find. (I actually find this is a little narrow minded, but you catch my drift) To answer your questions,
Is using the "bad guy" tools for "good guy" purposes wrong?
I would use any tools and techniques I see fit to provide the most complete, accurate report I could within the given timeframe.
And if so, where do we draw the line?
I thought the contract that the client and I would have signed was the proverbial line itself! My two cents. Regards, Matt Steer -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Erin Carroll Sent: 27 June 2007 06:41 To: kish_pent () yahoo com; 'Nikolaj'; pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Mpack All, Any discussion or information on where to obtain the Mpack tookit for purchase or malicious means will be rejected outright. The pen-test list will not be used to facilitate illegal activities. That said, I don't see danger in discussing the capabilities and potential of this or similar toolkits. I'm interested in malicious code. I need to be interested in malicious code to know how to help clients defend against it. Some of the newest malware out there is amazingly complex and sophisticated. To be blunt, the "bad guys" will always be slightly ahead of the "good guys" in this arms race. I have pondered for quite some time the potential of using "malware" toolkit platforms (Mpack, Agobot, etc) for legitimate pen-testing purposes and this thread does provide a nice segue into that realm. To paraphrase an oft-quoted phrase, "the tool isn't the problem, it's how it is applied." If the scope and legal contractual needs are such from a client to approve utilizing social engineering or other "grey" methodologies which would normally be construed as illegal (depending on local laws... yadda yadda yadda) outside of that legal agreement, how is creating custom exploits using Mpack different than creating exploit payloads for a Metasploit or Core Impact toolkit? Are there practicing pen-test professionals out there who have done this legally? I'm aware that the "bad guys" use "good guy" tools for nefarious purposes... Is using the "bad guy" tools for "good guy" purposes wrong? And if so, where do we draw the line? I'm interested to hear your responses. -- Erin Carroll Moderator SecurityFocus pen-test list "Do Not Taunt Happy-Fun Ball"
-----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Kish Pent Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:56 PM To: Nikolaj; pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: Mpack Please go away :) It's a polite request, and you've come to the other side, to ask what you want. This is a list for professionals, not people who are interested in malicious code. Cheers :) Kish PS: Erin, delete this thread ASAP, in the best interest of the list's reputation. ;) --- Nikolaj <lorddoskias () gmail com> wrote:Anyone has some first-hand info about this exploitation toolkit? Or any info where it can be bought?Kishore Penetration Tester Smart Security T.Nagar , Chennai Phone: 91 98841 80767 ______________________________________________________________ ______________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- This List Sponsored by: Cenzic Are you using SPI, Watchfire or WhiteHat? Consider getting clear vision with Cenzic See HOW Now with our 20/20 program! http://www.cenzic.com/c/2020 -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
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