Re: Interesting conviction

[Stu Thomas <stuart.thomas () mac com>]

A little more detail here:

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/008118.html

and some intelligent debate.



On 9 Oct 2005, at 16:40, Rogan Dawes wrote:

> Mike Messick wrote:
>
> > You're quite right!  ;-)
> > Here's mine:
> > I think the article's editorial comments about causing problems for
> > security professional and penetration testing are pure crap.
> [snip]
>
>
> > Most laws are written with intent in mind.  That Mr. Cutbert  
> > didn't intend
> > to do anything bad once he got in is really immaterial - that he  
> > *intended
> > to gain entry in an unauthorized fashion* is what constituted the
> > violation and his subsequent conviction.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Just because you don't steal the TV after you crowbar the front  
> > door open
> > doesn't mean you won't go to prison for unlawful entry.  Or not  
> > get shot
> > by the owner (in some states).  The fact that you don't have  
> > permission to
> > be there in the first place is what matters (at least under  
> > current law).
>
> Mr Cuthbert was simply attempting to verify the security of an  
> institution that he had decided to entrust his credit card details to.
>
> Granted, one should not try to break into the vault of a bank to  
> check their security, but I think that his intent was somewhat  
> closer to rattling the lock on the safety deposit box after  
> dropping your money in, to make sure that someone else can't just  
> come along and help themself.
>
> Rogan
>
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