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Re: Ethical Hacking Training
From: "Andy Cuff [Talisker]" <lists () securitywizardry com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:56:27 -0000
Hi Rob, I've seen something related this week, where a different up and coming training company were insisting that their training must be good because Intelligence Organisation X and Military Unit Y had used them in the past. When in reality the attendees probably just fell on the course through Google or preferably my site ;o) I explained to the salesman that we would want to evaluate the course and that if the course was as good as he claimed there would be no harm in providing the eval course for free as we would have to come back for more. Needless to say he said no, which made me suspicious. In all seriousness in order to evaluate such a course fully you have to send someone who has already attended at least one such course previously so that you have a benchmark from which to base the evaluation on. I try to explain to the providers that as a customer I'm already losing a guy for a week, paying for their accommodation for knowledge my guy most probably already possesses. You can also suggest to the provider that whoever attends the course provide substantial constructive feedback (sing for their supper) I can understand a providers reticence where you evaluate a course by sending a newbie . If all that fails and you still can't get a freebie ask if you can attend a future beta tests of major revisions of the course you wish to attend. Or other courses offered so that you can at least test the facilities and knowledge of the instructors. Talisker Security Tools Directory http://www.securitywizardry.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Shein" <shoten () starpower net> To: "'Andy Cuff [Talisker]'" <lists () securitywizardry com>; <pen-test () securityfocus com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: RE: Ethical Hacking Training
One thing to watch out for is something Foundstone did at one point. They took note of the companies from which everyone came, and eventually ran a rather large advertisement which named every company that in any way competed with them, which further insinuated that these companies only
knew
what they knew from attending Foundstone training. I know this because
the
company I worked for at the time was named; one of our people had attended
a
seminar out of curiosity (he was let go as a result).
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