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Re: SANSFire 2011
From: "Ty Purcell" <TPurcell () ffin com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:35:00 -0500
Aaron, Based on the below, then I second the recommendation of 401 w/ bootcamp, and then take the GSEC certification. That is also one of the certs that I see as desired in some job listings. In my opinion, I wouldn't worry about the Security+ certification. Ty -----Original Message----- From: pauldotcom-bounces () mail pauldotcom com [mailto:pauldotcom-bounces () mail pauldotcom com] On Behalf Of Aaron Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:17 AM To: PaulDotCom Security Weekly Mailing List Subject: Re: [Pauldotcom] SANSFire 2011 David, I guess you can say it is weird that I am a part of this list but have no official training. My background is in running small businesses as an IT generalist (for lack of a better term). I've always been fascinated with security and think I have a knack for it. My wife and I are currently trying to move west; be it Seattle area, Portland, OR area, or Denver. What I've (embarrassingly) found in all of the interviews I've been on is A) I don't have the experience and B) I don't have the requisite knowledge companies are looking for in a candidate. Thus far in my career, I've either taught myself everything I've needed to know whether reading and applying, or picking the brains of those more knowledgeable than I (hence this list). My knowledge of systems, infrastructure, TCP/IP, networking, etc has all been very informal, rudimentary, and full of holes. Again, learning what I needed to, to accomplish the job/task at hand then moving on. During the interview process I cannot answer some questions or can only answer them at a very basic level. (And yes, there is a good chance I'm being hard on myself, but I don't think I'm too far off the mark.) Regardless of how well I portray this in interviews, companies are not willing to hire someone on speculation. At least not with the job market the way it is. Therefore, I've decided on two approaches. First I'm going for training and certs on my own dime. Second, I'm looking for entry level positions related to security or positions I think will benefit me and help me move up to a security position. I hope that has cleared some of this up. So, knowing the background, you can see why I was looking at the lower level courses in which to start. I think I have a decent technical background and with some basic certs like Security+ or Networking+ I think I can back-fill whatever information I'm missing. I appreciate your reply about the auditing class. I will need to make a decision very soon as the conference is only a few weeks away. Aaron On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:21 PM, David Hoelzer <dhoelzer () enclaveforensics com> wrote:
It's a good course. I know Fred well and he's a good instructor. It seems weird that someone on this list would have no security training at all. If you don't mind my asking, what kind of background do you have? I ask because if you're from more of an operational background and are looking to apply security to things and develop good practice, I'd send you straight over to AUD 507 (don't let the audit piece fool you... there's audit stuff, but it's really what sorts of operational practices and controls should be in place that auditors ought to look for). On the other hand, if you have a decent technical background but nothing on the security side and aren't worried about development of secure practices, I'd send you toward SEC 401. It's a whirlwind tour of just about everything to do with security. Prepare to be exhausted. ;) Best regards On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Aaron wrote:All, I am looking at attending SANSFire 2011 in DC this month and taking Security 301: Intro to Information Security with Fred Kerby. Does anyone have anything good (or bad) to say about this course? Having no formal training in security, I think it would be a great way to get my feet wet and get some experience under my belt. Do you think it's worth the $3500 price tag? Thank you Aaron _______________________________________________ Pauldotcom mailing list Pauldotcom () mail pauldotcom com http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com--------------------------------------------------------- David Hoelzer Director of Research, Enclave Forensics dhoelzer () enclaveforensics com _______________________________________________ Pauldotcom mailing list Pauldotcom () mail pauldotcom com http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com
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