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Security in The Cloud


From: zach at n0where.org (Zach Lanier)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:17:01 -0400

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John Fitzpatrick wrote:
Just read an article about EPIC (Electronic Privacy Information Center) asking the FTC to investigate Google for "the 
adequacy of the privacy and security safeguards." They have even stated that gmail, google docs, etc should be taken 
offline until google can prove their security.

 Personally when I read things like this I always ask myself 'What would Bruce Schneier say?". I think it is up to an 
individual to measure the risk of cloud computing and act accordingly. I know EPIC is trying to help the average Joe 
out there but jumping up and down and yelling at google accomplishes little. Their efforts would be better spent on 
teaching people how to take their privacy into their own hands. As I type I am doing a search on a p2p network and 
the amount of personal documents shared is staggering. Cloud computing may seem scary to privacy advocates but at 
least when google has a breach you hear about it. The same can't be said for when there is a breach on your personal 
PC attached to the internet.

What are your opinions on this?


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It's almost as though EPIC need to remind everyone that they still exist
and haven't become entirely decrepit and overshadowed by the EFF. The
document is well assembled, citing examples that most users *don't*
consider when using Google services (or just about any *aaS, for that
matter). Incidentally, the complaint references a recently published
report from the World Privacy Forum on privacy risks in Cloud
Computing[1]. Both documents raise a few similar points.

For example, how many of us actually read, end-to-end, the TOS and
privacy policy of the Provider? How many of us validate claims like
"your data are safe from unauthorized access when you store it on our
Cumulonimbus Mega Awesome Cloud Storage Platform"?

I, for one, laud EPIC's past efforts and the heart whence this complaint
emerges. However, like a few others, the request for enjoinment
basically negated my support for the complaint in its entirety.

[1] http://www.worldprivacyforum.org/pdf/WPF_Cloud_Privacy_Report.pdf

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