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Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
From: Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 07:13:55 -0600 (CST)
" every networking vendor, hardware vendor, and OS vendor" How far are we from that, in reality? I don't have any intention on using the space, but I would like to put some definition to this boogey man. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Hamel" <ryan () rkhtech org> To: "Abraham Y. Chen" <aychen () avinta com>, "Vasilenko Eduard" <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com> Cc: "Abraham Y. Chen" <AYChen () alum MIT edu>, nanog () nanog org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:04:31 PM Subject: Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Abraham, You may not need permission from the IETF, but you effectively need it from every networking vendor, hardware vendor, and OS vendor. If you do not have buy in from key stakeholders, it's dead-on arrival. Ryan From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech.org () nanog org> on behalf of Abraham Y. Chen <aychen () avinta com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 6:38:52 PM To: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com> Cc: Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen () alum MIT edu>; nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care when clicking links or opening attachments. Hi, Vasilenko: 1) ... These “ multi-national conglo ” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it. ": As classified by Vint Cerf, 240/4 enabled EzIP is an overlay network that may be deployed stealthily (just like the events reported by the RIPE-LAB). So, EzIP deployment does not need permission from the IETF. Regards, Abe (2024-01-11 21:38 EST) On 2024-01-11 01:17, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement.
This is an assurance that 240/4 would never be permitted for Public Internet. These “ multi-national conglo ” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it. Ed/ From: NANOG [ mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com () nanog org ] On Behalf Of Abraham Y. Chen Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:35 PM To: KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui () mektel ca> Cc: nanog () nanog org ; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen () alum MIT edu> Subject: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Importance: High Hi, Karim: 1) If you have control of your own equipment (I presume that your business includes IAP - Internet Access Provider, since you are asking to buy IPv4 blocks.), you can get a large block of reserved IPv4 address for free by disabling the program codes in your current facility that has been disabling the use of 240/4 netblock. Please have a look at the below whitepaper. Utilized according to the outlined disciplines, this is a practically unlimited resources. It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement. So, you can do so stealthily according to the proposed mechanism which establishes uniform practices, just as well. https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf 2) Being an unorthodox solution, if not controversial, please follow up with me offline. Unless, other NANOGers express their interests. Regards, Abe (2024-01-10 07:34 EST) On 2024-01-07 22:46, KARIM MEKKAOUI wrote: <blockquote> Hi Nanog Community Any idea please on the best way to buy IPv4 blocs and what is the price? Thank you KARIM Virus-free. www.avast.com </blockquote>
Current thread:
- Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block), (continued)
- Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block) Abraham Y. Chen (Jan 14)
- Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block) Giorgio Bonfiglio via NANOG (Jan 14)
- Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block) Christopher Hawker (Jan 14)
- Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block) Tom Beecher (Jan 14)
- Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block) Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 14)
- Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Ryan Hamel (Jan 10)
- Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Tom Beecher (Jan 11)
- RE: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG (Jan 10)
- Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Abraham Y. Chen (Jan 11)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Ryan Hamel (Jan 11)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Mike Hammett (Jan 12)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Tom Beecher (Jan 12)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Mike Hammett (Jan 12)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Tom Beecher (Jan 12)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Mike Hammett (Jan 12)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Tom Beecher (Jan 12)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Abraham Y. Chen (Jan 14)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Christopher Hawker (Jan 14)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Abraham Y. Chen (Jan 15)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Christopher Hawker (Jan 15)
- Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block Tom Beecher (Jan 16)