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Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
From: Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:22:54 -0600 (CST)
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it's not as hard as everyone says? Maybe people have different goals in mind? Maybe there are enough people enough upset with the status quo that they'll spend their money elsewhere? -----Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: Masataka Ohta <mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp> To: nanog () nanog org Sent: Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:14:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett wrote:
Yet the independents are doing it anyway.
Petit bubble caused by quantitative easing, perhaps. Masataka Ohta
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <lists () packetflux com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog () nanog org> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or Canada where 100% of the utilities are underground. There may be no fiber or duct routes. Just old coax used for DOCSIS3 owned/run by the local cable incumbent and copper POTS wiring belonging to the ILEC. The cost to retrofit such a neighborhood and reach every house with a fiber architecture can be quite high in construction and labor. On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 9:14 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < lists () packetflux com > wrote: The cost to build physical layer in much of the suburban and somewhat rural US is low enough anymore that lots of smaller, independent, ISPs are overbuilding the incumbent with fiber and taking a big chunk of their customer base because they are local and care. And making money while doing it. On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 8:22 AM Masataka Ohta < mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp > wrote: <blockquote> Mike Hammett wrote:I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent operators will succeed. ;-)Because of natural regional monopoly at physical layer (cabling cost for a certain region is same between competitors but their revenues are proportional to their regional market shares), they can't succeed unless the physical layer is regulated to be unbundled, which is hard with PON. But, in US where regional telephone network has been operated by, unlike Europe/Japan, a private company enjoying natural regional monopoly, economic situation today should be no worse than that at that time. Masataka Ohta </blockquote>
Current thread:
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Eric Kuhnke (Feb 01)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 02)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 02)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Forrest Christian (List Account) (Feb 02)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Eric Kuhnke (Feb 02)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 03)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 04)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 02)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 02)
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- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Clayton Zekelman (Feb 02)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Kevin Shymkiw (Feb 02)