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Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023
From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:56:19 -0700
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:47 PM John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:
Again, to make sure there is 100% clarity: we have consistently ended up settling with orders that recognize ARIN’s ability to operate the registry according to the community-developed policy, including the application of that policy to legacy address blocks. ARIN simply doesn’t settle absent those terms, as it is fundamental principle of our inception that this community can set the policies used to administer the registry for this region.
Bottom line: * There is a status quo for ARIN's relationship with the legacy registrants. * It hasn't materially changed since ARIN's inception a quarter century ago. * ARIN has indicated no intention of changing it. * Were ARIN's behavior to materially drift from the status quo, they would be sued with an uncertain outcome. You want to dispute that last item, we can go another ten rounds on it, but what's the point? Nothing has changed since the last time we debated on the PPML list: In 25 years no one has successfully induced ARIN to act contrary to the status quo and in 25 years no one has successfully challenged ARIN on the status quo. Summarizing the status quo: * ARIN continues to report the legacy registrations. * Legacy registrants do not pay ARIN for anything associated with the legacy registrations. * Legacy registrants change POCs and RDNS servers associated with legacy registrations at their pleasure. * ARIN will not record a transfer of a legacy resource to another registrant absent ARIN's current approved contracts. * ARIN provides "new" services (developed after ARIN's inception) to legacy registrants only where those services directly replace functionality that has been retired. For example, the Web UI replaces the old email forms so it's provided to legacy registrants but RPKI is entirely new so it is not. Regards, Bill Herrin -- For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/
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- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023, (continued)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Aaron Wendel (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 18)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 18)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Tom Beecher (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
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- Autoresponses from NANOG subscribers William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: Autoresponses from NANOG subscribers Tom Beecher (Sep 17)
- Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Niels Bakker (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Gilmore (Sep 19)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 19)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 19)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 19)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 20)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Jay Hennigan (Sep 20)