Re: Announcement of Experiments

[Lars Prehn <lprehn () mpi-inf mpg de>]

Short Disclaimer: I frequently use the PEERING testbed myself, so I'm 
genuinely interested in where and why people draw the boundary of what's 
fine and what's not.

Iirc., the route collectors see a (drastically varying) number of 
poisoned routes (assuming everything within a loop is poisoning) in the 
DFZ at any point in time, affecting a (drastically varying) number of 
ASNs, prefixes, and paths. So why would you expect this experiment to be 
noticeable at all---I mean, compared to the day-to-day, "1% of the 
Internet is beyond broken and does Yolo things" noise? Very similar 
experiments have run in the past (e.g., [1] in 2018); did you notice them?

Would poisoning be tolerated if the PEERING testbed would be, e.g., some 
security-obsessed org that wants to avoid that your infrastructure 
touches any of its precious packets during the forwarding process? I 
guess what I want to figure out is: Is it the intention behind the 
poisoning experiments that bothers people or is the act of poisoning 
itself?

Kind regards,
Lars

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.03716.pdf

On 02.05.22 16:33, Raymond Dijkxhoorn via NANOG wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > If I am interpreting this correctly that you are just going to yolo a
> > > bunch of random ASNs to poison paths with, perhaps you should consider
> > > getting explicit permission for the ASNs you want to use instead.
> > >
> > > A lot of operators monitor the DFZ for prefixes with their ASN in the
> > > path, and wouldn't appreciate random support tickets because their NOC
> > > got some alert. :)
>
> > Exatly that. How about you ask people to OPT-IN instead of you wanting
> > people to OPT-OUT of whatever experiment you feel you need to do with
> > other people's resources.
>
> > When you the last time you asked the entire internet?s  permission to 
> > announce routes ?
>
> I dont exactly understand what you try to say its not about the route 
> its about the path.
>
> If the insert 'my ASN' i certainly will complain wherever i can and no 
> i will not opt out from that. I will assume they just do use my ASN. 
> Weird thought?
>
> Bye, Raymond