Re: Operator survey: Incrementally deployable secure Internet routing

[Adrian Perrig <perrig () gmail com>]

Hi Laura

> With the greatest of respect I'm afraid this kind of exemplifies the sort
of dream-ware that can only be thought up in the cozy confines of a
university campus.

Indeed, that's the origin of many innovations -- and some of them do make
it into the real world.

> So the chances of something more drastic like your proposal ever seeing
the light of day beyond some university labs?

We already have a working prototype system. It's quite exciting to see how
the existing SCION backbone can be used to provide immediate benefits for
traditional IP end hosts.

> Sorry to rain on your parade guys!

No problem, thank you for your honest feedback! It is very important to
gather these opinions / viewpoints.

All the best
  Adrian


On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:32 PM Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
wrote:

> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On Friday, January 21st, 2022 at 22:07, Yixin Sun <
> yixins () alumni princeton edu> wrote:
>
> > Dear Nanog,
> >
> > We appreciate that your time is very precious, but we wanted to ask you
> for your help in answering a brief survey about a new secure routing system
> we have developed in a research collaboration between ETH, Princeton
> University, and University of Virginia.
>
>
> Prateek, Adrian, and Yixin,
>
> With the greatest of respect I'm afraid this kind of exemplifies the sort
> of dream-ware that can only be thought up in the cozy confines of a
> university campus.
>
> Why do I say this ?
>
> Because the first thing that I thought of when I read the subject line of
> your email and a cursory glance through the body was "Uh huh, I've heard
> this sort of thing somewhere before", and that somewhere was ....
>
> IPv6 was sold as "incrementally deployable", and with IPv6 we're talking
> something natively dual-stack operating over the same old "internet".
>
> And look where we are today ? A decade or so on and the world is still
> nowhere near 100% IPv6 coverage, with some major networks still not
> anywhere near, and with other major networks only just launching IPv6 (e.g.
> the hyperscalers ... or at least some of them).  And that's before we start
> considering the developing world.
>
> Or if we put IPv6 to one side.  Why do you think BGP is *still* so
> stubbornly here ?  Because it works (most of the time), everyone knows how
> it works, and its been battle tested.
>
> So the chances of something more drastic like your proposal ever seeing
> the light of day beyond some university labs ?
>
> Sorry to rain on your parade guys !
>
> Laura