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Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 10:10:31 -0600
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 09:58:19AM -0500, Jon Lewis wrote:
So...here's a pair of "what if"s: What if instead of pinging 8.8.8.8, all these things using it to "test the Internet" sent it DNS requests instead? i.e. GOOG=$(dig +short @8.8.8.8 google.com) if [ -z "$GOOG" ] ; then echo FAIL fi Would that make things better or worse for GOOG (Trading lots more DNS requests for the ICMP echo requests)?
ping is relatively ubiquitous. There are certainly platforms on which it isn't installed, but compare/contrast to the DNS options. Is it host? nslookup? dig? No tool? "ping internet" or "ping 8.8.8.8" are fairly straightforward by comparison.
8.8.8.8 is already anycasted. What if each large ISP (for whatever definition of large floats your boat) setup their own internal instance(s) of 8.8.8.8 with a caching DNS server listening, and handled the traffic without bothering GOOG? For users using 8.8.8.8 as a lighthouse, this would change the meaning of their test...i.e. a response means their connection to their ISP is up, and the ISP's network works at least enough to reach an internal 8.8.8.8, but the question of their connectivity to the rest of the Internet would be unanswered.
Certainly that is true. Hijacking of any mechanism is a potential risk. Tying it into the DNS somehow at least introduces the opportunity for DNSSEC to reduce the chance of an ISP to muck with the intended result. We could even call it the Enhanced Link Verification Internet Service. "ping elvis" :-P ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"-Asimov
Current thread:
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging, (continued)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Tom Beecher (Feb 10)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe (Feb 10)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Tom Beecher (Feb 10)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mark Tinka (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Tom Beecher (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging james.cutler () consultant com (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Tom Beecher (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging J. Hellenthal via NANOG (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mark Tinka (Feb 12)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Jon Lewis (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Joe Greco (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Grant Taylor via NANOG (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mark Tinka (Feb 12)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mike Hammett (Feb 11)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mark Tinka (Feb 12)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Christopher Morrow (Feb 09)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe (Feb 09)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Grant Taylor via NANOG (Feb 09)
- RE: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mike Lewinski via NANOG (Feb 09)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Josh Luthman (Feb 09)
- Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging Mike Hammett (Feb 10)