Re: (off list) Re: cogent and henet not peering

[Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com>]

That doesn’t seem very offlist…

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 19:12, VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik () gmail com> wrote:
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> you can always be at my service.
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> as i am the god.
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> working 7/24 at no markup.
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> +905520094078
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> god's hotline. IM always responded. calls maybe.
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> i mean the allah.
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> 21.08.2022 05:06 tarihinde jkinney23 () yahoo ca yazdı:
> > I am still all riled up. I can't get over him sending that message. I'm glad I want to check out his linkedin 
> > profile.
> >
> > Happy I could be of service to you. :)
> > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:00:15 p.m. PDT, VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik () gmail com> wrote:
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> > >
> > > if you are happy i am happy.
> > >
> > > i dont care negative people much.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 21.08.2022 04:53 tarihinde jkinney23 () yahoo ca yazdı:
> >
> > Hey Volkan,
> >
> > I just emailed the list moderator to let them know it was optional to
> > post my message to the list. As long as you know some twit with
> > three years experience running around calling himself executive
> > director just harassed you, I'm happy.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Jason
> > On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:50:05 p.m. PDT, VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik () gmail com> wrote:
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> >
> > lol
> >
> > 21.08.2022 04:28 tarihinde jkinney23 () yahoo ca yazdı:
> >
> > Good thing they have someone with a dish washing skill-set to clean up their inbox's for them.
> > On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:01:34 p.m. PDT, Peter Potvin via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
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> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Removing Cogent personnel and peering departments from this thread as I'm sure they don't appreciate the nonsense 
> > coming from this list.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Peter Potvin | Executive Director
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> > On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 8:51 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik () gmail com> wrote:
> > yea whatever..
> >
> >  its upto mike leber and dave schaeffer to decide. they can either accept or reject the solution
> >
> > I have been always believing content creator/provider should pay expenses (at least excess traffic).
> >
> > because they put their server in some datacenter and reach all of the internet.. their backbone expenses are less..
> >
> > i can understand that todays datacenters including he.net are interested to participate in 200-300 IXPs.
> >
> > well that acceptable. it should be considered too
> >
> > so i would offer both companies 3 cent per mbps for excess traffic.
> >
> > ok bye
> >
> >
> >
> > 21.08.2022 03:25 tarihinde Forrest Christian (List Account) yazdı:
> > > But that traffic was likely requested by and for the benefit of the person the traffic is being sent to.
> > >
> > > I've always found the argument that the quantity of traffic is the indicator of who should pay to be questionable. 
> > >
> > > If I'm an end user on an eyeball user and request a big download or streaming from a provider, isn't it me that 
> > > caused that traffic to flow?  One could argue that I am the one that needs to pay. 
> > >
> > > On the other hand, one could argue that it's the provider of the content that I requested that needs to pay, since 
> > > it's their content which is being distributed.
> > >
> > > When you get to peering between two providers it's almost impossible to decide who needs to pay.    As I mentioned 
> > > above, passing that traffic is actually to the benefit of both providers.
> > >
> > > About the only settlement I could see is where one of the providers is bearing most of the transport costs.  For 
> > > example a regional provider only peering at one exchange point might expect some settlement costs with a big 
> > > international provider that is effectively carrying their traffic both directions around the globe.  But the 
> > > quantity of that type of traffic is likely minimal in the grand scheme of things.     Even then one might argue 
> > > that connectivity to the small provider is still valuable to the customers of the large provider.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 9:32 AM VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik () gmail com> wrote:
> > > the more uploading side pays each month for the excess amount.
> > >
> > > as content networks are supposed to pay expenses.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > what do you think?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike Hammett yazdı:
> > > > The problem them becomes *who* pays? When do the tables turn as to who pays?
> > > >
> > > > The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying?
> > > >
> > > > The network with more POPs gets paid?
> > > >
> > > > The network with more downstream ASes gets paid?
> > > >
> > > > Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > >
> > > > Midwest Internet Exchange
> > > >
> > > > The Brothers WISP
> > > >
> > > > From: "VOLKAN KIRIK" <volkirik () gmail com>
> > > > To: "Rubens Kuhl" <rubensk () gmail com>
> > > > Cc: nanog () nanog org, dschaeffer () cogentco com, peering () cogentco com
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: cogent and henet not peering
> > > >
> > > > this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.
> > > >
> > > > but everyone can.
> > > >
> > > > lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net pays their own ip transit price to cogent for paid peering excess amount and 
> > > > both sides monitor traffic
> > > >
> > > > we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...
> > > >
> > > > both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.
> > > >
> > > > level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?). why wouldnt mleber?
> > > >
> > > > but to make it fair, as he.net becomes ww tier-1 operator day-by-day, lets just limit pricing to excess amount of 
> > > > traffic
> > > >
> > > > thanks for reading
> > > >
> > > > would appreciate your support
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı:
> > > > OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is onegood reason to not contract their services.I 
> > > > think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.RubensOn 
> > > > Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with he.net for free.BUT they will rate-limit 
> > > > he.net links to previous month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)to make 
> > > > ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...okay?fine?come on people,segmentation is bad.
> >
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