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Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge
From: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:58:14 +0200
On 10/10/21 23:57, Sabri Berisha wrote:
I have worked for ISPs. And I remember the late 90s. Bandwidth was $35/mbit on average, at least for the outfit where I was. Consumers paid roughly $40 for their DSL connections, which at the time went up to 2Mbit depending on the age of the copper and distance to the DSLAM. Consumer connections were oversubscribed, on average, 1:35 to 1:50. B2B connections got a better deal, 1:10 to 1:15. It was simply not feasible to offer 1:1 bandwidth and still make a profit, unless you're charging fees the average consumer cannot afford. Especially considering that the average user doesn't even need or use that much bandwidth. It's a recurring discussion. People demand more bandwidth without considering whether or not they need it. End-users, business subs, and host-owners at large enterprises where I worked. The last ones are the funniest: entire racks using no more than 100mbit/s and hostowners are demanding an upgrade from 10G to 25G bEcaUse LaTenCy. The last consumer ISP I worked at had a very small subset of users that really needed bandwidth: the "download dudes" who were 24/7 leeching news servers, and the inevitable gamers that complained about the latency due to the links being full as a result of said leechers. In that case, a carefully implemented shaping of tcp/119 did the trick.
It's the conundrum of a shared resource. Like managing 1 lift (elevator, for the Americans :-)) that needs to move a building full of people between floors.
In the early days of the Internet, circuits were long, expensive and slow. Equipment cost a lot for what you could get out of it, and content was mostly centralized, making getting to it even more expensive, and hence, entrenching the current model.
However, in an era where content is making a push to get as close to the eyeballs as possible, kit getting cheaper and faster because of merchant silicon, and abundance of aggregated capacity at exchange points, can we leverage the shorter, faster links to change the model?
Mark.
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- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Matthew Petach (Oct 01)
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- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Mark Tinka (Oct 01)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Doug Barton (Oct 10)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Mark Tinka (Oct 10)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Doug Barton (Oct 10)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Sabri Berisha (Oct 10)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Mark Tinka (Oct 11)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Matthew Petach (Oct 11)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Matthew Walster (Oct 11)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Owen DeLong via NANOG (Oct 11)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Jason Iannone (Oct 12)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Mark Tinka (Oct 12)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Matthew Walster (Oct 12)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Mark Tinka (Oct 12)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Owen DeLong via NANOG (Oct 12)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Owen DeLong via NANOG (Oct 11)
- Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge Mark Tinka (Oct 12)