Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Christian de Larrinaga via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Nobody needs more than 64k of RAM. 

On Sun 30 May 2021 at 14:28, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> 
wrote:


> That doesn't really serve any value and 99.9999999999% of people 
> would not pay
> any more than $50 for the ability, so your ability to execute 
> such a system is
> limited.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
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> From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" <lb () 6by7 net>
> To: "Laura Smith" <n5d9xq3ti233xiyif2vp () protonmail ch>
> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 4:43:50 PM
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>
> I’m right there with you.  I can download an entire Mac OS 
> update in 6 minutes.
>  It’s astonishing.  I’d pay a grand a month for this.  I’d pay 
>  five.
>
> -LB
>
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>     On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG 
>     <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
>
>     I agree with Dan.
>
>     In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 
>     49.95 per month
>     (or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) .
>
>     As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
>
>     But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the 
>     latest patches
>     from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large 
>     files for off-site
>     backups or for friends/customers .... I don't know what I'd 
>     do without it !
>        
>
>     And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when 
>     streaming 4K
>     TV is long gone ...  I can have multiple people in multiple 
>     rooms in my
>     house streaming 4K and nobody notices.
>
>     I would never, ever, go back to DSL.  Even if they hiked the 
>     price 5x, I'd
>     still pay it.
>
>     Coming back to the original question on this thread, my 
>     answer would be the
>     minimum for 2021 should be 1/1.  Anything less than that is 
>     a bit silly and
>     will soon be obsolete.
>
>     ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>     On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka 
>     <mrsyeltzin () gmail com> wrote:
>
>
>         But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike. 
>         Brandon's ISP
>         can provide that service.
>
>         So should there be a more granular definition of speeds 
>         mandated based
>         on population density, last mile tech, etc?
>
>         I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth 
>         than you'd
>         normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my 
>         ISP upgraded me
>         to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day 
>         difference in
>         getting things done. 
>
>         Just like your example of average utilization being in 
>         the single
>         megabits per second, my average utilization is near 
>         zero. But when I
>         need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't 
>         embarrassing in
>         2021.
>
>         Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It 
>         doesn't have to be
>         sustained throughout the contract to be required. The 
>         only question is
>         how feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible 
>         for larger
>         players. 
>
>         Dan
>
>         (end)
>
>         On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett 
>         <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
>
>
>             That's not based in any kind of reality.
>
>             -----
>             Mike Hammett
>             Intelligent Computing Solutions
>             http://www.ics-il.com
>
>             Midwest-IX
>             http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>             From: "Brandon Price" <PriceB () SherwoodOregon gov>
>             To: "Sean Donelan" <sean () donelan com>, "NANOG 
>             Operators' Group"
>             <nanog () nanog org>
>             Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM
>             Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband 
>             connections
>
>             100/100 minimum for sure.
>
>             In our small neck of the woods, we are currently 
>             doing 250/250 for
>             $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.
>
>             We have lost some grants on rural builds because 
>             "someone" in the
>             census block claims they provide broadband.. Not 
>             hard to put an AP
>             up on a tower and hit the current definition's 
>             upload speed.
>
>             I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer 
>             what they
>             "need"...  
>
>             Brandon Price
>             Senior Network Engineer
>             City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: NANOG 
>             <nanog-bounces+priceb=sherwoodoregon.gov () nanog org> 
>             On
>             Behalf Of Sean Donelan
>             Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM
>             To: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
>             Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband 
>             connections
>
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>             On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of 
>             Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
>
>                 At least 100/100.
>
>                 We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, 
>                 that’s what I’d
>                 start everyone at if I could.
>
>
>             At $50/month or less?
>
>             Maximize number of households of all demographic 
>             groups.


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Christian de Larrinaga 
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