Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

There are millions of people that have 0 mbps (or dialup, satellite, etc)
and they can't function day to day like everyone else in town.

Changing the definition of broadband to yet again, to a faster speed will
do nothing for these people except slow the pace at which they get
connectivity.  Why do people "in town" need to go from 25/3 to 100/10 when
we really should be focusing on the people with nothing?

Changing the definition to 100/100 kills every technology except for
fiber.  Every single cable internet connection suddenly becomes "not
internet".  Do we really want another AT&T that ends up with all of the
primary last mile technology to all the major cities again?

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:07 AM Chris Adams (IT) <Chris.Adams () ung edu>
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> I’d be interested to understand the rationale for not wanting to change
> the definition. Is it strictly the business/capital outlay expense?
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> On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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> I don't think it needs to change.
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> *From: *"Sean Donelan" <sean () donelan com> <sean () donelan com>
> *To: *nanog () nanog org
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM
> *Subject: *New minimum speed for US broadband connections
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> What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?
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> This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year
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> year  speed
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> 1999  200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than
> dialup/ISDN speeds)
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> 2000  200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service
> providers had 128 kbps upload)
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> 2010   4 mbps down / 1 mbps up
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> 2015   25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)
>          5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)
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> 2021   ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)
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> Not only in major cities, but also rural areas
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> Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't
> advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must
> deliver better service.