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Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?
From: Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:45:38 -0700
It's one thing to use a GUI tool when it's convenient and quick. I think anyone that's ever experienced setting up a Unifi controller would probably prefer provisioning a new 802.11ac AP from the GUI rather than doing it manually at a command line. But it's another thing to consider that we have a whole new generation of people who *don't know and don't care* what's going underneath the GUI and might not be able to do anything with the OS running on bare metal, if they have to. If we intend to abstract away configuring devices to a GUI level only and not care about what's going on under the hood, then it's time for everyone to just run out and renew their MCSE certifications and buy Meraki subscriptions. On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:35 PM David Siegel <arizonagull () gmail com> wrote:
...not to mention that all mature networks are moving more towards GUI front ends for their automated network. As the complexity of a network increases, CLI access becomes considerably more risky. The idea that "real engineers use the CLI" is dinosaur thinking that will eventually land those with that philosophy out of a job. Just my personal $.02 (though I'm certainly not alone in my opinion). But I'd like to reiterate that the board's goal with modernization is not to alienate anyone from the existing community by forcing them into a web-interface. Discourse is under evaluation, and if it doesn't accomplish the goal we'll try something else or build our own tool. Dave On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:52 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com> wrote:On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 5:13 PM scott <surfer () mauigateway com> wrote: [...]Of course, one would not find an HTTP GUI on the bigger networks dealt with on this list; only on the tiny networks. So they're beginning learners and are, of course, welcome. They will lean a lot, just as I did in the early days and do every day now days.[...]scottLet's see... Google: Gmail Microsoft: Hotmail/Outlook/Office365 Yahoo/VerizonMedia: Yahoo Mail I'd have to say, there's some pretty big networks on this list that use HTTP GUIs for their email. Of course, you might be big enough that you look down on the networks of Google, Microsoft, and VZM as "tiny networks" -- in which case, you're definitely entitled to your opinion, as all 8000 pound gorillas that look down on the puny 800 lb gorillas are. ;) Matt
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- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? Rod Beck (Mar 20)
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- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? Allen Kitchen (Mar 20)
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- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? Hank Nussbacher (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? scott (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? J. Hellenthal via NANOG (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? Matthew Petach (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? scott (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? David Siegel (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? Eric Kuhnke (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? J. Hellenthal via NANOG (Mar 20)
- Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...? Mike Hammett (Mar 22)
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