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Re: A crazy idea
From: Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:01:20 -0700
On Jul 29, 2021, at 22:23, Frank Habicht <geier () geier ne tz> wrote: Hi, On 30/07/2021 07:58, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:> ...Consider this… I discussed this topic at length with JJB (COMCAST at the time) and pushed hard on why they don’t give /48s to their residential customers. His answer was that if they did so, they would need to get a /12 from their RIR (ARIN). My question to him in response to that was “so?”.I recently got this "so?" question asked [1] and I believe I follow you and see the point. My response was along the line: - today (at least here in AfriNIC-land - sorry to get out of "NA") the RIR charges membership fee depending on size of IPv4 allocations. - Will the RIR charge membership fee depending on IPv6 allocation size in 5 years from now?
I believe all RIRs charge by size for LIRs in some form or other. ARIN is by max_fee(IPv4,IPv6). In the case in question (COMCAST), they are already in the maximum fee category, so expanding their v6 allocation to /12 would not increase their fees. I would argue that since (at least in ARIN), you get 16x as much address space for 2x the fee, revenues from the expanded customer base should easily dwarf the cost of additional addresses to issue proper /48s to every customer.
And it's a genuine question. Does anyone know what the intentions or likelihood of options are?
I think COMCAST intends to continue subjugating their customers with limited address blocks for the foreseeable future. I am hoping that other IPSs will be more rational and eventually market pressure will bring about ubiquitous /48s. Owen
Really interested. Thanks, Frank [1] by staff member asking why we don't replace the existing v6 /32 with something bigger.
Current thread:
- Re: A crazy idea, (continued)
- Re: A crazy idea Lukas Tribus (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea Randy Bush (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea Nathan Angelacos (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea Randy Bush (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea tim () pelican org (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea John Waters via NANOG (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea Joe Maimon (Jul 29)
- Re: A crazy idea Daniel Corbe (Jul 29)
- Re: A crazy idea Owen DeLong via NANOG (Jul 29)
- Re: A crazy idea Frank Habicht (Jul 29)
- Re: A crazy idea Owen DeLong via NANOG (Jul 30)
- Re: A crazy idea Mark Andrews (Jul 19)
- Re: A crazy idea Michael Loftis (Jul 20)
- Re: A crazy idea Bryan Fields (Jul 20)
- Re: A crazy idea Chriztoffer Hansen (Jul 20)