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Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler
From: Matt Harris <matt () netfire net>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:36:13 -0600
Matt Harris|Infrastructure Lead Engineer 816-256-5446|Direct Looking for something? Helpdesk Portal|Email Support|Billing Portal We build and deliver end-to-end IT solutions. On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 5:25 PM Joe Loiacono <jloiacon () gmail com> wrote:
Only if you believe censorship has nothing to do with free speech.
I'm not sure what you mean here. One can advocate for or against "free speech" and whatever it may ultimately include or not include without having to invoke a specific United States legal framework which doesn't apply in many (most) contexts. Freedom of speech as a right of humankind has existed as a concept since long before the US did, the US merely enshrined in its constitution that the government should generally not infringe on it, with very limited circumstances in which it may do so. This is, in my opinion and that of others, a good thing. Where those lines are to be drawn is largely up to the courts, and is often the subject of debate among both jurists and laypersons. I guess my overall point here is this: there's no reason you can't say "free speech is an important right that we must protect" without invoking any specific legal doctrine, if that's what you believe. That statement can easily apply to any government agency, private corporation, public corporation, or individual citizen, and be broadly relevant. Once you invoke the first amendment, you're now limiting the context of your advocacy. On 1/11/2021 6:16 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
That would make me wonder how many cases there have been of someone "shouting fire in a crowded theatre" where there was no fire and at least one person died as a result; ...This seems a wee bit distant from Parler or TOS or Sec 230.That's because people continue to believe that this has something to dowith the 1st Amendment, which of course it does not. But you can't disabuse people of their poorly informed notions.Anne
Current thread:
- Re: Parler, (continued)
- Re: Parler Joe Provo (Jan 14)
- Re: Parler Lee (Jan 12)
- Re: Parler Brielle (Jan 12)
- RE: Parler Keith Medcalf (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler hank (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Dan Hollis (Jan 10)
- RE: Parler Keith Medcalf (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler John Levine (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Joe Loiacono (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Matt Harris (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Sabri Berisha (Jan 12)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Joe (Jan 11)
- RE: shouting draft resisters, Parler Kain, Becki (.) (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler John Levine (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Donald Eastlake (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler John R. Levine (Jan 11)
- Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler Donald Eastlake (Jan 12)