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Re: Parler
From: Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:56:48 -0800
Oh, geez... I was going to ignore this thread, I really was. :( On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 6:13 PM Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf () dessus com> wrote:
The first amendment deals with the government passing laws restricting freedom of speech. It has nothing to do with to whom AWS chooses to sell their services. It is also not absolute (fire, crowded theater, etc.)You are correct and incorrect. The First Amendment prohibits the Government from passing laws which constitute "prior restraint". It does nothing with respect to anyone other then the "Government" and its agents. You are also incorrect. Freedom of Speech is Absolute. There is no prior restraint which precludes you from "(fire, crowded theatre, etc.)" whatever that means. That does not mean that speech does not have "consequences". The first amendment only protects against prior restraint, it does not protect against the suffering of consequences. And of course "consequences" come AFTER the speech, not BEFORE the speech. Furthermore your "(fire, crowded theater, etc.)" (whatever the hell that means) cannot, as a matter of fact, possibly justify any action taken prior to the so-called speech having been made as that would be an assumption of fact not in evidence (also known as a hypothetical question) and the courts do not rule on hypotheticals. If you do not understand the difference then perhaps you should be sentenced to death since you have a hand, and having a hand it could hold a gun, and since it could hold a gun, you could also murder someone. So therefore you should be put to death now as "prior restraint" to prevent you from committing murder.
You're being dense. Private businesses can engage in prior restraint all they want. Airlines, for example, if they suspect you pose a risk to the other passengers on the flight, can refuse to take off while you are on the plane, or even turn the plane back around and land, and have you ejected. They don't have to wait until you've beaten up another passenger, tried to open a door mid-flight, or stabbed someone. To bring it closer to home, an ISP can refuse to provide service to someone they suspect is a spammer. They don't have to wait until the first spam is sent, they can exercise prior restraint and deny the entity service based simply on the suspicion they may be a spammer, and therefore not worth providing service to. I am neither a lawyer nor a yankee doodle and I know these facts to be
self-evident.
I am sorry to say your grasp of facts seems to be tenuous at best. :( Better luck in the next reality. Matt
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- Re: Parler, (continued)
- Re: Parler niels=nanog (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Wayne Bouchard (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler niels=nanog (Jan 10)
- RE: Parler Keith Medcalf (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Matthew Petach (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler niels=nanog (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Rod Beck (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Jay Hennigan (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Richard Porter (Jan 10)
- RE: Parler Keith Medcalf (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler Matthew Petach (Jan 10)
- Re: Parler William Herrin (Jan 10)
- Re: more bad lawyering about Parler John Levine (Jan 10)
- Re: more bad lawyering about Parler William Herrin (Jan 10)
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- Re: more bad lawyering about Parler William Herrin (Jan 11)
- Re: more bad lawyering about Parler Joe Greco (Jan 11)
- Re: more bad lawyering about Parler William Herrin (Jan 11)