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Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance
From: scott <surfer () mauigateway com>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:08:04 +0000
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 6:15 PM Randy Bush <randy () psg com <mailto:randy () psg com>> wrote:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg84yy/data-brokers-netflow-data-team-cymru used to get dissidents, activists, and journos killed at&t, comcast, ... zayo, please tell us you do not do this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------After the SF room thing a decade ago (or whatever timeframe it was) we have to know AT&T is doing it.
On 8/25/21 11:01 PM, jim deleskie wrote:
:: I think letting any of those people think ToR is safe as being a much bigger risk.
Especially since ToR was developed by the US Navy to support spying operations.
:: ...Team Cymru...and believe them to be the good guys,
Agreed and I have thought so for a very long time, but sadly this casts a shadow over my interpretation of their work. Hopefully, someone there clarifies and we can go on knowing they're one of the (few) good guys.
scott
Current thread:
- netflow in the core used for surveillance Randy Bush (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Brandon Svec via NANOG (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Aaron Wendel (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Paul Ebersman (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Aaron Wendel (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Christopher Morrow (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Matt Harris (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Paul Ebersman (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Stephen Fulton (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance jim deleskie (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Tom Beecher (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance scott (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance J. Hellenthal via NANOG (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Hank Nussbacher (Aug 25)
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Mark Tinka (Aug 25)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance Avi Freedman (Aug 30)