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Re: DoD IP Space
From: Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:32:00 -0400
As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the Internet was concerned.
The DoD allocation of 11/8 predates the concept of 'private network space'. 11/8 was first assigned to the DoD in RFC 943 in April of 1985. The concept of IPv4 space for private networks was first defined in RFC 1597, March 1994. (Which eventually would become RFC1918. ) The fact that certain parties decided on their own that space not present in the global routing table was 'fair game' or 'private' doesn't make them correct, it simply makes them ill informed. On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 7:18 PM Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
Bill, It’s the INTERNET that is civilian, not the IP space. As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the Internet was concerned. Now DoD has moved it into the civilian Internet, and I treat them as potentially malicious as I do any other organization that lies, cheats, and steals the public trust. -melOn Apr 24, 2021, at 3:45 PM, William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:26 AM Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum.You do understand that the addresses in question are not and have never been "civilian." They came into DoD's possession when this was all still a military project funded by what's now DARPA. Personally, I think we may have an all time record for the largest honeypot ever constructed. I'd love to be a fly on that wall. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill () herrin us https://bill.herrin.us/
Current thread:
- Re: DoD IP Space, (continued)
- Re: DoD IP Space Owen DeLong via NANOG (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mel Beckman (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Carlos M. Martinez (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mel Beckman (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Randy Bush (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Christopher Morrow (Apr 27)
- Re: DoD IP Space Randy Bush (Apr 27)
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- Re: DoD IP Space Randy Bush (Apr 27)
- RE: DoD IP Space Ryan Hamel (Apr 24)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mel Beckman (Apr 24)
- Re: DoD IP Space Tom Beecher (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Ca By (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 26)
- RE: DoD IP Space Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Apr 26)
- RE: DoD IP Space Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Stephane Bortzmeyer (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Michael Thomas (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mel Beckman (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Bill Woodcock (Apr 25)