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Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs
From: Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 07:23:37 -0700
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 7:12 AM nanoguser100 via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
William, The plan is to carve out a /24 for "Estonia" and have special servers on it. This would be the same /24 I'd have to use if I were to put a legitimate POP there. This also means I don't conflict with the real Germany. I am just worried about violating the 'rules' of these providers and getting myself blacklisted from submitting corrections. Afterall the traceroute will still show us hitting a router in Germany before it hits my network. Traceroutes aren't the end all be all but it's a tell-tale sign. I guess this is all ISP-reported info so it's not "illegal" or a violation in any way. -Nanoguser100
I think it's safe to say that before anyone could be held accountable for geolocation data, there would have to *first* be a requirement that the data be able to be reliably updated to be *correct*. As we have not yet achieved a way of ensuring that legitimate holders of IP resources can reliably update the geolocation data, I think you can rest assured, nobody will be holding you accountable for whatever the geolocation data might show for a particular block of addresses. Now, if, as an industry, we had a consistent, reliable way in which geolocation records could be updated with a means to audit and ensure the updates are being made only by the legitimate holders of the number resources...*then* you might have reason to be concerned. But as of now, as evidenced by the number of "how do I get my geolocation data updated" emails sent to NANOG, which result in a flurry of "meetoo" followups, no reasonable court would ever give any legal credence to the current data in the various geolocation databases. You can sleep soundly at night, whichever road you may choose to take. Matt
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- Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs nanoguser100 via NANOG (Apr 21)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs William Herrin (Apr 21)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Tom Beecher (Apr 22)
- RE: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Brian Turnbow via NANOG (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Mark Tinka (Apr 22)
- RE: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Brian Turnbow via NANOG (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Mark Tinka (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Jaap Akkerhuis (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Tom Beecher (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs William Herrin (Apr 21)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Robert Blayzor via NANOG (Apr 22)
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- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs nanoguser100 via NANOG (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Matthew Petach (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Patrick W. Gilmore (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs George Michaelson (Apr 22)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs RafaĆ Fitt (Apr 23)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs Patrick W. Gilmore (Apr 23)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs nanoguser100 via NANOG (Apr 23)
- Re: Submitting Fake Geolocation for blocks to Data Brokers and RIRs William Herrin (Apr 23)