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Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam
From: Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:44:41 -0700
On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:13 PM Randy Bush <randy () psg com> wrote:
hi camron sad to say, the days of faxing around number assigments have passed. the kiddie googlers who wrote the geofeeds rfc probably have not even seen a fax machine. they just did not like having a hundred gnomes in the basement dealing with everybody's formats. given silicon valley housing costs, gnome armies do not scale well. and, imiho, the format they developed is sufficiently boring that it might work. ten thousand providers emailing each other spreadsheets is not very pretty or reliable at global scale. the plague is teaching normal folk the concept of exponential. so where A *finds* B's geofeed data is an ugly issue. i agree that rpsl sucks. like democracy, it may suck less than the alternatives. but if you have a better suggestion, puhleeze!2. Why can’t arin just provide me a web portal to add city / state info in my already existing rpki roa form?and then where do those data go? you wanna go through the ietf process of putting it in the rpki, which has no 'remarks' as an intermediate hack? and 10,000 consumers of the data would have to sign arin legal papers. and arin is just one corner of a large world and becoming less and less relevant. as to using zip codes; aside from the international issues, in many locales postal codes are sufficiently specific to reveal personal identity. or at least this is why some geofeed designers told me they avoided postal codes. but this document is not about those choices anyway; geofeed file format was assumed. i hope you noted that the rpki-based signing is entirely optional. i certainly do not sign my geofeed files, and am not aware of any other deployment of this tech which does. randy
Hi Randy, Just business in this email. I gave your I-D a try in the real world, and it does not work with a major player. I thought you might know this, and could have saved me a few hours of tinkering... But to help others along, inetnum does not work at RADB. Web form, email, nada.
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